I really dont think that Fallen Icarus understands the difference between evolution and abiogenesis. And without being able to understand that difference, we cant really have much of a discussion.
I do understand the difference between the two, you clearly did not read the last passage of my last post, read it and then come back to me.

You constantly try to make it seem like evolution and abiogenesis are the same thing,
No I do not "constantly" do this, and the reason is - is because I understand that there is a difference between the two such as the entire fact that abogenesis describes how life came about in its theory and evolution describes the happenings of this particular "life" yet it would not be invalid to link the two.

You can link them.

The theory of evolution has been proven beyond almost any doubt.
What - so we really did evolve from apes? (lol)

So why are they still calling evolution a theory?

No, I do not assume that, you are incorrect in your assumptions.
I am glad you do not assume that yet your posts clearly point in the opposite direction.

The point is, that you cant teach about creationism without involving religion. There is nothing to teach without involving religion.
I dont know about you but I doubt many religions actually talk about aliens creating us.

Engineering us - this would in no way invalidate evolution, it only offers a different prespective which is all I ask.

I am telling you right now, I do not see how you could have more then a simple statement if you remove religions from creationism. Religions provide specific stories behind their version of creationism, whereas creationism itself only states that something created all of this.
Why do you continuously relate Intelligent design to religion? Isnt it a simple fact to you as to anyone else that someone can actually believe in intelligent design WITHOUT religion?

I know dozens of people who could back the statement I have made.

It is a silly idea, a stereotypical igornance of you to presume that creationism or intelligent design must always bring in religion.

What on earth does jesus and the apostles have to do with us being made from one infinite source of energy at a quantum physical level?

Science has a huge amount of intelligent design based theorem which could be classed as just as valid, if you look into quantum physics you will find theory and experiments which reveal that matter actually has intelligence.

You love science, but the video im about to paste here is full of nothing but religion so just ignore it.

YouTube - Dr Quantum - Double Slit Experiment

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And if we are talking about a non-religious form of creationism, then in fact there is almost no evidence for it, much less then evolution, or hell even abiogenesis.
I agree! However - how you measure the amount of evidence is up to you, yet 100 years ago people may have presumed intelligent design to be a more formidable theory as opposed to evolution because there was little or nothing to support evolution.

Your statement only presumes that the future holds no hope for creationism and proving intelligent design in terms of evidence.

But the fact that there is no evidence or little evidence to prove ID does not invalidate it and throw forward evolution as an incredible theory which we must presume to be true simply because we cannot yet prove intelligent design.

I am just saying that the two are just as valid and the two should be given equal credit and intelligent design should be given as an optional viable option as to how we arrived on this planet.

And your a philosopher, apparently so why on earth must you follow a belief in which you do not agree with the belief of questioning EVERY belief?

Why do you (a philosopher not an evolutionist or a creationist) disagree with me?

I dont understand your motives here imitator.

Give me an example of where ID doesnt involve religion or a theory of God.
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I'll just poke in here real quick and say aliens, but there's as much proof of aliens interfering in man's development as there is that God made everything or that there even IS a god.
And please do not reply saying how I wish to teach the children that we were created by aliens, you asked for an example of which ID would not involve religion and I didnt even need to give you one, someone else did, showing that its ignorant and stereotypical to continuously relate intelligent design to a Judea Christian perspective.

Like I said, you can perceive the creator to be a 5 million foot bean monster for all I care, the fact is is that we are integrating the possibility of intelligent design as a viable option.

Because it is as viable as evolution.

Considering we dont hold any actual scientific facts as of yet, I could say the same of almost anything. All science holds is theories and the like, actual FACTS are not known to us at this time.
So your saying there is always a way to dispute fact?

I say if you jump off a 100 story building, when you hit the ground your heart will stop.

Theres always a way to dispute fact?

Dispute that one.