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10-23-2007, 06:24 PM #11
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Some front line views of the war against God.
Thats fine, but schools arent neccessarily teaching abiogenesis.I also understand that evolution is a theory which describes how life has developed, a premise to this story is to understand that life must have already existed.
You constantly try to make it seem like evolution and abiogenesis are the same thing, but they arent. They are two completely different theories, and one does not imply the other explicitly.
The theory of evolution has been proven beyond almost any doubt. We have countless experiments which have shown that it does happen. Abiogenesis is another story.
No, I do not assume that, you are incorrect in your assumptions.Imitator, you do not need to talk to me as if I am some kind of Indoctrinated christian who wants to also indoctrinate the youth and shove creationism down their throats by the use of political tools to bring creationism into the educational system.
I think it was Ken Miller who broke the ground and took creationsism out of the schooling system of America, he showed how creationism has no weight behind it therefore - nothing to teach!.
However Imitator what you fail to realise is the concepts and implications of what you are saying, you assume with your above quotes that evolution should be taken out of the educational system and replaced with creationism.
I have not once inferred that we would be replacing anything. Replacing one thing with another is infact irrelevant to my point.
The point is, that you cant teach about creationism without involving religion. There is nothing to teach without involving religion. You claim otherwise, but please, prove it. I am curious how you figure its possible.
I am telling you right now, I do not see how you could have more then a simple statement if you remove religions from creationism. Religions provide specific stories behind their version of creationism, whereas creationism itself only states that something created all of this. You cant teach a basic form of creationism, as there is nothing to teach. And if we are talking about a non-religious form of creationism, then in fact there is almost no evidence for it, much less then evolution, or hell even abiogenesis.
Considering we dont hold any actual scientific facts as of yet, I could say the same of almost anything. All science holds is theories and the like, actual FACTS are not known to us at this time.I think also the fact that no scientific FACT contradicts the Quran, theories may contradict the Quran, but no Fact has actually contradicted the Quran to date.
Give me an example of where ID doesnt involve religion or a theory of God.Intelligent design does not have to include religious belief, it does not have to incorporate religion whatsoever or even the theory of God.
What do you recommend they teach in regards to it then? I dont see any point dancing around any of the other issues, since the problem I have deals directly with this.I not once recommended that they teach a specific concept of creationism in schools, I simply think creationism/intelligent design are just as viable as evolution.
How do you propose we teach this in schools if we are removing all religion from it. You want this taught to people alongside evolution, provide your method of doing so, please. I am curious how you envision this, and it might make things a bit easier for everyone involved to see exactly how you stand on this.
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