Icarus, it is apparent you have misjudged something here, because I have not once viewed you as anything other then what you are debating right now. You have stated numerous times that you are not a creationist, and I have no reason to not believe you.

Just the same as I think you misjudge my standpoint. I havent once argued that ID shouldnt be something taught to children in schools as a possibility, I just dont see how its viable to do so in any meaningful manner if its going to be non religion based, which it has to be in this country for public schools to teach it.

ID and Evolution do not remove the ability for the other to exist, and I dont know of too many people in these thread who have tried to claim otherwise, most certainly not myself if nothing else.

As a philosopher, as I have said before, I believe above all else that everything should be taught to our youth, to give them the chance to learn to judge for themselves, and develop them in ways that is not possible if they are not exposed to everything.

The problem is, in my mind, that there isnt a viable way to teach creationism in the public school system without involving religion. And I see it as doing no good to state that something should be a viable option shown to children alongside the other theories, if there is no attempt to do something about it, or figure out a way for it to work. I apologize, but it seems like nothing more then idle chatter, which is a shame because its a valid point, at least in my eyes, and something deserving of figuring out a solution.

You speak of wanting to look at every angle and every question, well I think this is a valid one, and one that I would love to engage you in... the question being how is it possible to teach this to children without involving any specific religion? We both agree that they should be shown every angle possible, but the how... thats the important part, thats the part that we should be focusing on, because if we can figure that out, we have figured out a way to do the very thing we are saying should be done.