Some front line views of the war against God.

[cadmiumblimp]

Did Aliens plant it on our planet as an experiment? Did Aliens plant it on our planet to create an ally?

You're leaving out the question of where the aliens came from. Most likely, some place very similar to we're from, only a long way off.

Is, perhaps, our and every organism's existence on this planet evidence that there is extraterrestial life out there, somewhere?

Of course our existence is near proof of intelligent life somewhere out there. If we can exist here and there is an infinite universe out there, there has got to be someone else out there. The sad thing is that they're all so far away that we'll never see them in our lifetimes.

I would much prefer our public schools just teach the facts. Let them investigate mythology on there own or when they get to college or go to a private school. And quit demonizing drugs and abortion and other things in public school. Just the facts. Let the kids with there parents input decide what they want to believe in.

This is why I don't like education being run by the government, because of course the government is going to shove their views onto the poor, poor children. Of course, any private school is usually run by some organization that has it's own agenda also.

We don't educate anymore... we indoctrinate.

Was it ever any other way?

[LuckyG]

Too bad it isn't like that, huh? Grade school thorugh high school is all bullshit. It is indeed a place to indoctrinate kids early to the American belief system, and society. It's hardly about learning what really is, especially when it comes to the subject of History. Biased textbooks, biased teachings given by teachers. The teacher's don't usually know this, either, because they have as well been indoctrinated. It's sad. We don't educate anymore... we indoctrinate. Although, college is a bit different, in that it does actually teach more than indoctrinate. But the indoctrination is still there, partly due to the fact that there's so much homework and reading. It becomes your life.

I had an article kicking around, unfortunately I seem to have misplaced it. Anyway, it dealt with exactly what you're talking about. It quoted documents from the 1930's where it was made clear that the American educational system was being revised to create a large mass of general labourers, easily manipulated and used to repetitive mind-dulling tasks, while shooting a select few rapidly to the positions of power. From what I remember, a lot of it is based on wealth - although it can carry over to simply being able to afford private schooling.

In any case, I'm of the opinion that we should teach scientific beliefs in schools, and religious beliefs in church. But that's me.

[mfqr]

You're leaving out the question of where the aliens came from. Most likely, some place very similar to we're from, only a long way off.

I'm speaking about how we could have came to be, not how extraterrestials did. But if I were to go that far, that question would be asked.

Of course our existence is near proof of intelligent life somewhere out there. If we can exist here and there is an infinite universe out there, there has got to be someone else out there. The sad thing is that they're all so far away that we'll never see them in our lifetimes.

Those were not questions I couldn't answer myself, just to let you know. They were a bit rhetorical. I already am 100% sure there is extraterrestial life, and I'm sure the universe is filled with it... intelligent or not.

This is why I don't like education being run by the government, because of course the government is going to shove their views onto the poor, poor children. Of course, any private school is usually run by some organization that has it's own agenda also.

Yep.

Was it ever any other way?

No, you're right. It most likely hasn't been, which is sad. Excuse me for saying "anymore." I'll rephrase: "We don't educate... we indoctrinate."

[mfqr]

I had an article kicking around, unfortunately I seem to have misplaced it. Anyway, it dealt with exactly what you're talking about. It quoted documents from the 1930's where it was made clear that the American educational system was being revised to create a large mass of general labourers, easily manipulated and used to repetitive mind-dulling tasks, while shooting a select few rapidly to the positions of power. From what I remember, a lot of it is based on wealth - although it can carry over to simply being able to afford private schooling.

In any case, I'm of the opinion that we should teach scientific beliefs in schools, and religious beliefs in church. But that's me.

Haha, yes. That is it. Our educational system pumps out "obedient workers," for the most part. What the system does not do is pump out free thinkers.

And yes, I do agree that unbiased science and unbiased history should be taught in schools, and religion should be left to Church. Afterall, that is what Church is for, right?

[cadmiumblimp]

I'm speaking about how we could have came to be, not how extraterrestials did. But if I were to go that far, that question would be asked.

My point was supposed to be that extraterrestrials likely came about in the exact (or similar) way we did.

Haha, yes. That is it. Our educational system pumps out "obedient workers," for the most part. What the system does not do is pump out free thinkers.

And yet...here we are, thinking freely. I'm not disputing what you're saying, as I agree entirely, but schools (as they are now) can only go so far when it comes to indoctrination.

[mfqr]

My point was supposed to be that extraterrestrials likely came about in the exact (or similar) way we did.

And yet...here we are, thinking freely. I'm not disputing what you're saying, as I agree entirely, but schools (as they are now) can only go so far when it comes to indoctrination.

Not everyone really thinks freely. In fact, very few people do.

And yes, I was going to say that extraterrestials probably came in the way we did as well. Also, we're already in contact with them. So it is in our lifetimes. Not we as a public, but we as in a very small amount of people. Don't worry, we'll see extraterrestials much more intelligent and advanced than us soon.

SETI has actually picked up many extraterrestial signals, too. But they have been covered up by the government.

[Unknown American]

I do so love these intelligent design discussions.

As a Pastafarian or follower of the Flying spaghetti monster I feel it is important that my religion be taught so others can be "touched".

Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster

Note to mods this link is totally relevant to this conversation as is the FSM.

In the beginning, the Flying Spaghetti Monster created the Universe, presumably when he was drunk. This aspect, known as Unintelligent Design, has successfully been used to explained disco and Jar Jar Binks, among other things. His Noodiliness created pirates as absolute divine beings. The declining numbers of pirates over recent years has caused the Flying Spaghetti Monster to become angry and punish us through global warming. Heaven consists of beer volcanoes and a stripper factory, while there is no known equivalent to Hell. This in a nutshell, is Pastafarianism.

[Nailhead]

Intelligent design. What a funny name for mythology.

lol, best post in this thread :thumbsup:

"Intelligent" design isn't based on facts or evidence, it's based on ignorance, or as Christians call it, faith. But all that aside, teaching "intelligent" design in public schools would violate our first amendment for freedom of religion. I don't see why the argument should continue beyond this point, simply put, teaching "intelligent" design in government required education is unconstitutional.

If you want your kids to believe in some fairy tale, send them to a private school that will teach them everything your cult believes in. If you don't have the money to send your kids to private school, too bad, send them to church on the weekends but leave the others alone!

[Fallen_Icarus]

Well, no, nothing has to be proven to be true. Did gravity have to be proven before it existed? It just has to be proven for you to understand and accept it as truth.

Firstly, im not saying things have to be proven for them to exist, that doesnâ??t make sense because elements of life exist which have not been proved yet - like conscious air, or intuition etc etc.

Read what I wrote again, im just saying teachers should ATLEAST tell students that evolution has still to be proven to be true, there are numerous missing links and Darwin also stole much of his work from his Grandfather (not that this has anything to do with the validity of the theory of evolution) - Evolution births ideas such as eugenics - which im sure you understand has resulted in some horrid experimental catastrophes - teaching that intelligence is in a blood line and power is in a blood line is not morally correct.

Evolution itself has no morality - Richard Dawkins - a profound evolutionist has spoken of the complete lack of morality in terms of evolution.

And if you donâ??t prove anything, then your basis is only a hypothesis - what if the theory of gravity was in actual fact - not right? It was only shown to be true when it was PROVED.

Your correct in a sense, but its a question of odds, often some theories just happen to be true once proven, some people create good theories, yet there are theories LIKE EVOLUTION OF US which needs to be proven true because - they may just be wrong.

Sorry to ramble on, I hope you understand my point.

Of course things do not have to be proven for them to exist but it would be nice to know if we actually did evolve from lower form animals into higher forms without any intervention, I was just saying people should not automatically rule out intelligent design as they do in schools, because they dont even give the kids an option (this is all I was saying).

There should be a balance in our schooling system by which children in science classes are still told that evolution is not proven IN OUR STORY (because it simply is not) there are numerous missing links blah blah.

Your American schooling system does not teach the benefits of communism and socialistic Governing im guessing?

I do so love these intelligent design discussions.

As a Pastafarian or follower of the Flying spaghetti monster I feel it is important that my religion be taught so others can be "touched".

Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster

As stories of the bible are told at the beginning it should be said that nothing of the existence of Jesus Christ can be proven.

The same applies for the theories we teach our children of evolution.

They should know that it is as much BULL$%$£ a theory as the flying spaghetti monster. AND intelligent design.

"Intelligent" design isn't based on facts or evidence,

Well, neither is evolution when you try and explain our existence.

I noticed someone speaking of 2 theories to choose from?

Creationism or evolution?

How about a combination of these?

Perhaps we were created and designed and engineered to evolve at such a rapid rate compared to our cousin animals whom according to evolutionists such as Dawkins have also been on the same evolutionary path as us.

If we can genetically engineer animals, and considering the size of the universe (and the probability of the existence of intelligent 'aliens') then why cant they also engineer "animals"? (us).

[cadmiumblimp]

There is so much more evidence that evolution is how things came to be than that God just put it all there. We know that earth has been in existence for millions (billions?) of years, that humans haven't always existed here, and that living things do, in fact, evolve. Just because we don't know every step of the way from a single-celled organism to our current state doesn't mean we can't say that certain things had a certain likelihood of happening. The reason intelligent design shouldn't be taught in schools is because it simply is not science. Evolution, however, is. When you take an honest look at both, you can't spin it any other way.