4th Dimensional

[MoonStarer420]

evidence...not proof.

Using Radio telescopes we can probe the center of our own galaxy down to a few AU (an AU is the distance from the Sun to the Earth). From the link I posed above you can see the stars orbiting around an "invisible" object (which you can actually see at other wavelengths) and from these orbits you can measure the mass to be about 3,300,000 solar masses. Any object with a mass this large and in a radius that small must be a black hole. There are no known or theoretical forces to support an object against a density like that.

I was wrong about a black hole having magnetic fields; it's the accretion disk around the BH that has a mag. field. But the problem with using that as a power source is that 99% of the photons it emits are in the UV and above. After all it's at a temp. of 750,000K. This makes it very hazardous to anything near enough. I guess it would make more since to use the accretion disk as a source of power. You can actually see the accretion disks in other Galaxies expressly in AGN's. Quasars are probably the most interesting, because the most luminous ones could use an entire galaxies amount of mass in a few millions of years.

"Energy in our Universe is conserved, there will never be any unlimited power source" Is no contradiction. You even said it yourself.

sure you might not be able to use one bh forever...

A long time is a long time not forever.

but if ur able to use a bh as a power source, you could prolly make one too.

You could make one, but it's going to be extremely hard. The only natural way to make them is through massive stars and getting neutron stars past the critical density. But when you do that, they release a huge amount of energy (Gamma ray bursts and SN explosions). I wouldn't want to be around them when they do.

[MoonStarer420]

...not that i dont find space fascinating..i just take it personally when some one hops on all my ideas with skepticism while promoting a limited knowledge of a 3D universe (sorry)
i appreciated your comment earlier thogh kronick, i make it a point to post anything of interest.. (thank-you)

I don't take any critisim on these ideas personally, after all they arn't mine. Someone else had to do the bitch work to find this work out. You are right though, 3D work in the sky is..well...a bitch (can't think of another word right now.) But theres tricks to it and using wavelenghts other then optical are key.

I'm not saying astral projection isn't possible, I only think it's not probalble. I certainly can't prove you wrong on that though. I'll have to read "while sleeping your body is close to death" later, I'm off to see P.O.S. right now.

[kronick]

im not debating if they exist or not...im only saying that there are things about black holes what we do not know. that being said, right now, anything is possiable. some day we might be able to harness that power(if we get that far). so are you gonna deny this possibility?

energy is conserved...the universe contains only energy...right there you got an unlimited power source. fusion. thats what i ment by contradicting.

[chriscannabis]

This is the kind of discussion I love. The true secrets of the universe is the ultimate treasure, the knowledge of why things are. Where people can use there imagination to create complex theories that seem completely convoluted and impossible but yet are just as likley as the next.

[chriscannabis]

But here lies the problem. Unless we obtain some kind of knowledge from another being, we probably won't know what the universe is for, why it's here and why things are the way they are. Even then, would that being's information be credible, would we have any other alternative? We can speculate all we want, but I've gotten frustrated, moody and even depressed doing deep thinking like this.

I warn people who are new to this kind of thing. Be careful, the mind is a dark place if you don't know your way around the deeper aspects of it. This kind of thinking can't be taken lightly, you either give it your all, or nothing, and once you've explored the deepest questions and the darkest answers, you will be changed forever and there's no going back. Thinking like this will take you on the most hidden and darkest roads. It will lead to long chains of thought that comprise of convoluted and questionable theories. You can also scare yourself pretty bad if you let your mind have control over you. Just a warning to people who are just beginning to explore the really deep questions and areas of the mind and universe most people would rather not dwell upon.

[kronick]

i agree 100%

[MoonStarer420]

im only saying that there are things about black holes what we do not know...

I defenetly agree with you on this.

that being said, right now, anything is possiable. .

I almost agree with you on this, only that some things that are possible are not probable.

some day we might be able to harness that power(if we get that far). so are you gonna deny this possibility?

It's a possibility, but they seem way to dangerous to use, that is if what we know about them turns out to really be true.

energy is conserved...the universe contains only energy...right there you got an unlimited power source. fusion. thats what i ment by contradicting.

I'm talking about using an object or process as an energy source, like a star or such. You would have to "hop" from object to object to get new energy when that system runs out. If you could do that forever then you would always have energy.

You can only get so much energy out of fusion , it goes up to Iron and Nickle before you need to start putting energy into the system for fusion. Thats part of the reason why massive star cores collapse and explode in Super Nova. Yes the Universe is infinite, but these elements are getting fused into heavier elements all the time everwhere in the Universe. It may last us trillions and trillions of years but it will run out some time. But I guess then you could use that material, throw it into a black hole and get more energy from that. The BH evaporates, you get material back. I guess the question is, can we somehow get Hydrogen back out of the BH in some order to always have a way to get energy? Or maybe by that time all the material will converge into "one" massive hole and explode agian into another Universe? Ok I have no idea, either way were talking tillions of times the age of the Universe.

[kronick]

ok i see what you mean now....but in a practical sense, fusion is bacically unlimited power. but i guess thats what they said when they found out what they could do with oil.

[GHoSToKeR]

Does anyone here like pudding? It's my humble opinion that pudding holds the answer to the universes most unanswerable questions. And it tastes awesome.

[kronick]

i love lamp