Quote Originally Posted by bhouncy
The thing about logic is it appears to work. In order to function in the world we agree that a car speeding along the road will break our bones if we step in front of it. <speeding car> + <unwitting pedestrian> = <bloody mess>

You can create an internal reality that makes spirits function but that doesn't mean it will function in the outer reality. Thinking in a system other than logic might change the outer world but at this moment in time if you want to get from A to B you have to do it in the logical reality world.
I dont meant that logic itself doesnt work. Of course it works, i cant deny this. The problem is the assumptions that are made before applying the logic.

The usual assumption of the nowadays science is that what we usually percieve with our 5 senses is everything that there is to percieve. Its not a conclusion deduced by logic, but just an assumption that is assumed to be true without further questionings. Its even assumed to be an "obvious" thing. Based on this assumption, science builds a beautiful castle of conclusions logically derived from it. But the logic only ensures that this conclusions are valid IF the initial assumptions were valid.

Yet the part of the human knowledge that deals with "spirits" and such assumes that what usually percieve with our 5 senses isnt everything that there is to percieve, but only a very small part of it. And based upon this assumption it builds, also by the use of the logic, its set of conclusions, that are of course different of the ones deduced by the todays science assumptions.

So, the explanations this two different systems of thought give to the same phenomena are of course different, and the logic itself cant be used to decide which is "right" and which is "wrong", because the difference isnt that one system uses logic and the another doesnt, but in the initial assumptions made before applying the logic.

The science says that people who sees spirits are hallucinating. The "occult" says that people who doesnt see spirits are somehow "blind". And each one seems right from its own viewpoint. So how to decide? The decision is a matter of belief, which set of assumptions one assumes (believes) its true.

Quote Originally Posted by bhouncy
I don't accept collective hallucinations. I accept that the brain structure coupled with experience may have similarities just like cutting the skin makes us bleed.
Or one can also assume that people have similar experiences because they are actually "real" somehow...