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I wasn't really arguing, I was making an example of why I choose not to argue. I've presented many a xtian with all the information I can muster and yet they still seem to think I'm going to hell for it.

Sorry, I re-read my last post and I can see how it looks like I was being confrontational, which wasn't my intention.

But sometimes it's worth it, some people will realize that what they believe in doesn't make any sense. These are the people I'm looking to debate. Sure, I assume I'm right, but in all of my debates with believers, they've never given me any proof of the existence of God, and while I've never disproved it, I've shown a few people why it's futile to believe for belief's sake.

The followers of zeus and thor wouldn't have abandoned their posts quite so easy either. A xtian will use their Bible to defend themselves just as we would use science.

That's the thing, just because they aren't easily swayed, just because they are concrete in their beliefs, that doesn't mean they're right.

I used to think if I were a believer, and someone presented me with the argument "You're using the Bible to defend the Bible, circular logic" that I'd pipe back with "You're using science to defend science, same thing!"... but it doesn't work like that.

Science works by collecting data and observing, and being able to test, retest, and test again. Basically, it works on evidence. It's all available to the public. If someone doesn't believe the theory of gravity, any person can be taken step by step on the reasoning and correlating evidence behind the theory. Religion can't claim anything near this.

I've never seen a debate where a xtian was presented with scientific proof who then backed down and decided to not be an xtian anymore. It's proved itself much more effective to me to first use the bible itself. The bible, on most occasions will deny itself. I probably know more about the Bible than I do about evolution, which is exactly why I can't believe in the Bible.

But personally, I see this as a problem. The Bible itself tells you that if one part isn't true, disregard the whole thing. When a part of the Bible is proven untrue, they move the goalposts. "oh, that story is not literal, look at the meaning behind it". At that moment, anyone that uses this line of thinking is basically admitting that the whole Bible could be made up. They don't want to think that, of course, so they themselves will arbitrarily decide which parts of the Bible are true and which are "just stories".

The Bible itself makes no distinction on which stories are made up and which ones are real. I just keep asking question as to where they draw the distinction and why? Basically getting them to admit that they could be wrong about where they're drawing the line, showing them where I've drawn the line (all fake). While I don't get everyone to change, I've seen quite a few people go on by saying that while what they belief might not be rational, they still do. In this case, you are stuck in the debate, because who can debate irrationality? no one.