Interesting Videos Involving Proving Creationism

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Being that no one from Earth has explored all that exists on Earth, much less space, I'd have to say that no one can be justified when they say Aliens don't exist. Nor can anyone be justified with saying they know how the Earth was created. Everyone from any side has their own ideas, beliefs and arguments. They all think they have proof. Real proof comes from tangible evidence. The fact of the matter is that evolution simply has much more tangible proof. God or no God, evolution wins in the proof area. Just my opinion.

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I think this guy is a nut, This nut say people want to beleave that we came from monkies so we can act like monkies so we can shoot up schools do drugs and a bunch of other bullshit I must admit I did see a monky smoke before, but it was trained by man But I never seen a monky shooting up schools doing crack or other drugs for that matter Myself I came from my mother and other then that I donj't give a crap

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How does that make sense? As far as I know humans are the only animals that will inflict pain on each other for no real purpose.

[Mr. Clandestine]

So many people here were quick to call this guy a nut, but didn't even bother watching the entire video. He actually debunks quite a bit of evolutionist conjecture, and does so with a cynical (not condescending) wit. The evolutionist fundamentalists here, who do nothing but make lame attempts to discredit him without any statements backing up their assertations, are only making themselves look foolish in the eyes of people who have actually had intelligent conversations about this subject matter before. What's the point of purposely trying to make a Christian feel guilty, embarrassed, or ashamed of their religion? Do you feel that way about your lack of beliefs? Very few Christians, with the exception of a handful of evangelistic loud-mouths, will purposely try to hurt the feelings of a non-believer for the stance they've chosen to take against God. Yet, there seem to be plenty of atheists
abound who, for the sake of trying to belittle a persons religions belief, arrogantly claim that all Christians/people of faith are complete morons for believing in intelligent design.

Spend a little more than fifteen seconds watching his video, and at least try to listen to the points being made about evolutionist theory. I'd recommend watching all of them, so that you'll have more 'ammunition', so to speak. Try your hardest to get past all of the "Christian rhetoric" first, and then try even harder to debunk the things he has to say about the various levels of evolution. (i.e. - chemical, cosmic, macro, organic, etc.) Once you can do that, you can rationally form an argument that will even be worth paying any attention to. Until then, you're only making yourselves appear like uneducated, bigoted, and highly prejudiced idiots. (Kind of like those pesky Christians you claim to abhor, eh?)

For those of you who backed up your statements with coherent arguments, this post was not intended for you...and please do pardon my little rant.

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Until then, you're only making yourselves appear like uneducated, bigoted, and highly prejudiced idiots. (Kind of like those pesky Christians you claim to abhor, eh?)

There are those on both sides, and both sides will quickly point them out. It's human nature. I'm sure an atheist could easily take everything you just said and use it to their advantage, just like you can take anything an atheist says and use it to your advantage. It's a war that no one can win even with proof. If tomorrow science brought forth 100% undeniable proof that there was no such thing as intelligent design Christianity would still abound. It wouldn't phase them at all, at the most they would simply just change the religion a little bit more to fit the new evidence. Likewise, the same would apply for atheists. It's really just a useless argument. It doesn't matter if your statements are compeltely arrogant and unintelligent, or if they're completely sensible and backed up with mounds of proof. People will not stop believing in the convictions that make them who they are, regardless. Christians cannot prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that there even is a God. No matter what, it'll always be just speculation until God comes down and says, "Hey, I'm here, check it out." Atheists will use science for another hundred thousand years and still not be able to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt God doesn't exist. When mankind is extinct, gone, or however you believe we will end, the debate will still be open. I used to argue till I was blue in the face that there is no God. I have countless books, documents and various other evidences that the Christian religion is a mirror of previous religions. It doesn't matter, because even with proof no one will change their ideals. I'm atheist, because I arrived at that conclusion through my own research. Other people are Christians because they likewise arrived at that conclusion. Wrong or right doesn't even matter anymore. People are arguing simply to argue.

I couldnt' watch the video or I would have, but you made a good point...

How can anyone debate that which they know nothing of?

Unless I'm provoked I try to stay away from these creation debates...I believe what I believe and that's all that matters, if you're cool with me, I don't care what you beleive, we're friends...

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In the end we'll probably all find out we're all wrong...there will be no God, no intelligent design, and no big bang / evolution...then we'll all just sit around and get high together stunned that we wasted so much time arguing about it...which is what we should just do now...we're all still humans...how should it matter how we got here?

[Mr. Clandestine]

In the end we'll probably all find out we're all wrong...there will be no God, no intelligent design, and no big bang / evolution...then we'll all just sit around and get high together stunned that we wasted so much time arguing about it...which is what we should just do now...we're all still humans...how should it matter how we got here?

I don't believe this is how 'the end' will turn out, but you're absolutely right...our varying opinions on the matter will prevent us from ever reaching a common-ground on several of these pertinent issues. That's still okay, and I'm not here to dispute anything you have to say, or anyone else for that matter. I, like you, am dead-set in my own beliefs, and cannot be convinced otherwise. But, that doesn't mean we can't still be friends. I have plenty of non-religious friends, and I rarely discuss theological matters with them, unless a friendly conversation just so happens to spring up. Then we discuss our views like adults, and it's over with. I've never been one to attack another person with my viewpoints, because I see very little good that could come of it. I have had plenty of debates over my viewpoints, but only when they proved to be constructive and thought-provoking. Otherwise, I respectfully bowed out before name-calling and childish hostilities could ensue.


Again, I see no reason why we can't be friends. We have common interests, obviously, or we wouldn't be frequenting this website! Differences aside, we're all human...and we'll all meet the same fate after our demise. However you want to speculate the outcome may be. Until then, we should focus on being at peace with one another, as opposed to constantly gnashing teeth and trying to put the other person down. That's not a debate, it's just shameful.

Take care, brother.

[snowblind]

what a duche bag, he is a retard and doesnt even understand the theories. Creationsits mock evolution, yet when you mock their stupid beliefs they get all anal because the've been indoctrinated into a religon.

this just proved evolution doesn't nessecerily help everyone

[snowblind]

i was abit board so i pulled him up on every point he makes that is bogus. i hate small pricked douhes like this. so i sent him this

dear venom fang x

i watched you video about satan creating and noticed how much spin and fantasy you put into your little speach.
so i decided to address all of your 'facts' point by point and maybe help to enlighted you.
you strike me as someone who is intelligent just has been subjected to the same rhetoric that you can not see the woods for the trees.
so lets begin

1. A frog turning into a prince.
great starting line, but greatly misinterpretates the idea of evolution.
all animals we see on earth today are already on their evolutionary track.
so a frog turning into a human would be impossible as their evolutionary path, if ever diverged many millenia ago

2.Millions and billions of years (gay voice thing)
im gonna adress all the points you make about time here and your stupid assumptions about how the earth is getting older.
400 years ago the people believed the world was flat.
this was because we had never been to space and had only travelled the world by boat.
From this perspective it is impossible to observere the curviture of the world.
It is observable from the horizon, but the limited degree or curviture and magnitude that would be required to relate that to the planet is not something that would come easily.
So it is easy to see why the earth was thought as flat.
From this vain it is easy to see why the life of earth has been increased.
It is just a matter of scale applying this to reference ponts.
It has always been thought that the earth was old, just as with the earth being round perspective is a hard thing to grasp.
It is also worth noting that up until maybe the early 19th century christianinty in the western world was the law.
People lived very sheltered and repressed lifes and rocking the boat was often tantemount to treason.
It is all just a question of scale, but one that has become more accurate with greater scientific research and sociolical changes.

3.Creationist and Evolutionary views at war
They are not at war, its just people of your religous ilk have such a fragile belief system that when it comes under scrutiny you take it as a personal attack.
If your faith is so fragile you could laugh it off.

4.Who i am (what am i worth)
You equate being created from god to being special and being evolved as being dead.
You as with all religons that are from the same scriptures (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) completely negate spirituality in your beliefs.
Spitirtuality is something that we all posses and is perhaps our greates evolutionary product.
It is love, compassion, self worth and feeling connected to the human race.
It is not something mutually exclusive of being in a religous sect, but part of being human.
I do not believe in god, but know i am special and of xtreme value to myself, my family, my friends and my race.

5. Sheer accident.
Depends on how you look at it, i think that life on this planet and in the universe, is the most rare and wonderful thing.
Life is like diamonds and it nessesity to specific conditions, but beautiful all the same.
Saying life is a cosmic burp, is juvenile spin docterin.

6. No meaing to life.
The meaning of life is to make it meaning ful. to do things of worht value and substance.
Just because i don't believe in god doesn't mean that i want to murder rape and kill.
Humans where around long before the rehtoric of god and they got on just fine.
This is becuase we have evolved to interact with one another.
And through constant contact with the same groups, initailly family and neighbours, we get along as it is likely we will encounter the same humans.
Monkeys, apes, dolphins, meer cats, lions they don't believe in GOD but all have social structures and networks.
Saying god created morailty is extrodinarily ignorant.


7. Recycled into an earth worm of plant.
This may be true of the carbon composite body we live in.
But may not be nessecerily true of our souls, we don't know. no one knows.

8.Do what god wants.
Why would god created rules and boundires for us?
if he wanted to create eden why put in a test for us to fail.
As if we are all made in the image of god then we shouldn't mess it up.
The reason humans are written about falling from grace, is a story tale created to scare people into believing the rehtoric and a from of social control.
That has been exploited by many religous people over the mileniu to get power, wealth and sex.

9. The idea of evolution 'got' started by the devil saying eat from the forbidden tree.
NO, it didn't the idea of evolution was started, publised and researched by charles darwin.
It is a realatively new concept that only came about by technological and scientifc break throughs allowing us to observe and document wildlife away from teh ever watchful eye of religous heratics.

10.Sailing around the universe.
This is something that could happen, if we can control and stabalise cryogenic freezing, then we can prolong human life so that it can travel to deeper reaches of space.
Yet again your spinning comparing this to Star Trek.

11. Not much intelligent life on this planet.
Wow witty. that house your in, the foundations, that computer, your ipod, your car, your school, your church.
The electricty in your house, the process's to created that scooby do you love. ALL CREATED BY DUMB PEOPLE
According to you. But if you asked me the same question i would probably say the same thing about you.

12.Satan wants to be god.
Only because the bible says so.
this is no more prove of the bible as the flying spegetti monster or the invisible pink unicorn is.
Rhetoric pure and simple.

13.We are made in the image of god.
If we are made in the image of god, then god is gay, god is unhappy, god is depressed, god is an evolutionist, god is a murdered, god is all the human flaws we see today.

14. If you tell al like long enough
this is so true, no think about it really hard. Bible, god, 2000 years.
Have you worked it out yet ?

15.LOOK at that text book.
ITS from fucking 1989 its almost 20 years old.
Technology and scientfic discoveries have changed so much since then.
You are flawing yourself.

16.Do we know the earth is 4.5 billion years old.
No we don't but it is an estimate based on calculations, measurements and observations.
Its a damn sight better guess, that it being created in 7 days.
The reason that the people in the last centuary think this is beacuse we are at our most advanced.
400 years ago we where taught the earth is flat.
So what we should still teach that too.
No, its just in the last centuary the church has lost the majority of its power and presence in modern day society and people are hungry for the truth.
Not rehtoric from the King james revised edition of the bible published in 1611

17. Evolution
none of those are acutally definitions of evolution, just contextual connotations of the word.
Big Bang theory, whilst never observed, as we weren't there its effecs are visable.
Radiation from the bigbang is still floating around the universe. What do you think static on your radio is?
Also through the dobler effect, red shift and triangulating planets, it is possible to observe the outwards motion of planets and stars.
All from one origin.
Chemical evolution, i dont do chemistry so this is the only thing i can't contest.
See when you don't know or understand something you can let it go.
Stellar evolution, stars die. red giants, super dwarfs, implosion. and ending needs a start. self furfilling.
Organic evolutionhttp://news.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029694,39193449,00.htm
showing that with enough time, heat rna and protiens where created, hence. dah da life.
Macro evoltuion. animals don't change from one kind of animal to another, you really don't understand evolution.
Still this has been simulated through richard dawkins work in selctive gene mutation.
That through a relatively short amount of genertaions 30 - 40, which is about 1000 year, evolution can have significant effects.
So when applied over many many many many milenia the effects would be amazing.
Micro evolution, proves evoltion within a species that has already evolved to its highest level.

18. House fly
A fly will never not be a fly as it is a fly. You really don't understand evolution.

19. clear as glass
Sand blasted glass isnt clear, nor are stained glass windows. they are opaque.

20.somebody made the world or the world made itself.
Neither, the world was created by particles that where attracted to each other after falling into orbit withing our galaxy.
as they got bigger so did their gravitational pull pulling more particles.
I have another choice.
The earth didnt consiously created itself. the laws of physics did.

21.where did go come from.
You hide from the answer by posing a question.
i know where my answers come from.
WHERE DOES YOUR GOD COME FROM ?

22.Why does something have to exist?
The laws of thermodynamics state nothing can come from nothing.
but these laws only apply to our universe.
what if there are more universes, more laws and more life?

23.Saying the universe always existed is religous.
NO it is not religous, it is scientific. It is based on logic, reasoning, research and the culmination of some of the greatest minds in the world.
Religon is based on rehtoric, scare tactics, fear and brainwashing.

24.BACKED UP BY FACTS
your fact is your logic, created by your upbringing by your parents who are christian.
Because you are white, american and middle class. your facts are the amalgimation of circumstance and chance.
If you had been born in Iraq you would be a muslim, china you would be dowist or buddist.
Your facts arn't facts they are circumstantial.

25. jibberish textbooks.
the reason your textbooks and knowledge is awful is becuase of the above fact.
that your country has alot of people like you who don't want to accept their beliefs could be wrong.
so rather than accept that you could be wrong you rip apart the second rate education you had.
The only reason you had this education was because of people like you ripping it to peices.
would you rather america negate the sciences and have bible studies.
Your children read these texts books because it makes it easy for you to brainwash them into religon.
all people like you go one about the children, when it is you who are hurting them.


I would love to here what you have to say as i welcome healthy deabte.
And its always fun chatting to american chritians

Peace and enlightenment.

Alistair

[Iambreathingin]

Embrace your concious nature of mind to feel important. Your fatei s in your own hands and the hands of mankind, not some infalible god who will do it for us. "God" Is not overruler but quite simply human spirit depicted as an vatar to make him simple to understand.

The bible taken literally is a way for the layman to practice a spiritually pure life without devoting the power of thought to it.

Do not attribute the beauty of the world we percive to the insulting simplciity of one divine creation. Evoloution is written into the fabric of life. There is evidence all around us.

A common musconception is that belief in scientific research is to neglect your spiritual self, but on the the contrary the two can co-exist.

Just look at the Dali Lama, a man of immense compassion and spiritual devotion, respct by buddhist and non buddhists world wide as a religious firguehead, and his knoledge of science and curiousty over it surpasses many of those whom believe soely in science on its own.