why the future doesn't need us, by bill joy

[pisshead]

a billionaire who's been in the globalist meetings where they discuss massive world population reduction...for our safety...he's a guy with a conscience warning us.

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/8.04/joy.html

pisshead Reviewed by pisshead on 01-30-2005. why the future doesn't need us, by bill joy a billionaire who's been in the globalist meetings where they discuss massive world population reduction...for our safety...he's a guy with a conscience warning us. http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/8.04/joy.html Rating: 5

[Herbaholic00]

Crazy stuff.... reminds me of The Second Renaissance Parts 1 & 2 from Animatrix. Some one told me the Wachowski brothers were part of some strange cult, u know n e thing about this or is it bullshit?



Peace

[Herbaholic00]

By David L. Ulin


Late last week, in a parking lot in New Jersey, the U.S. Army unveiled what may be the future of war: 3-foot-tall robotic â??soldiers,â?� outfitted with tank tracks, night vision and mounted automatic weapons capable of firing more than 300 rounds at a burst. Known as SWORDS (Special Weapons Observation Reconnaissance Detection Systems), these battle bots are on the leading edge of a new kind of warfare, in which â?? or so the argument goes â?? our troops will one day remain hidden (and, presumably, protected) while engaging the enemy by remote control. The Army intends to deploy 18 SWORDS units to Iraq in the spring, marking the first time robots have been used to fight and kill human beings one on one.

If, like me, you grew up on science fiction, the idea of robot soldiers strikes a chilling chord. Killer droids, after all, have long been speculative-universe staples, potent symbols of the dangers of technology, of what happens when machines go wrong. In Karel Capekâ??s 1920 play â??R.U.R. (Rossumâ??s Universal Robots)â?� â?? which introduced â??robotâ?� to the vernacular â?? automatons rise up to wipe out the human race. In â??Blade Runner,â?� renegade cyborgs stage a bloody mutiny and flee to Earth. Robotic armies rampage by the screenful in George Lucasâ?? â??Star Warsâ?� films.

And then, of course, there is the â??Terminatorâ?� series, in which robots designed to look and smell like people infiltrate human encampments to execute rebel leaders without mercy or remorse. This is the cybernetic future at its most apocalyptic: a world in which our high-tech weapons turn on us, just as we always feared they would.

The fear resonates. Why else would SWORDS designers feel compelled to reassure us, as they did last week, that their robots are not automonous terminators, but function only at the command of humans, , who must identify targets via video before giving the electronic OK to shoot?

On a certain level, the developers of SWORDS make a valid argument: These are not smart weapons, but surrogates for soldiers in the field. Itâ??s hard to quarrel with any tool that might make our soldiers safer, and if nothing else, a robot warrior will never have to worry about inadequate armor or supplies.

Yet something more disturbing is at work, a sense of willful disassociation, as if, with enough distance, we might remove ourselves from what war is. Here too the military mimics Hollywood. For â??Star Wars,â?� itâ??s been reported, storytellers relied on battle bots to take the blood out of the onscreen killing and render moral questions moot.

A similar logic fuels the ban on photos of flag-draped coffins â?? if we donâ??t see them, theyâ??re not there â?? and itâ??s no stretch to suggest that SWORDS, and other high-tech weapons now being developed by the Pentagonâ??s Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, will further sanitize our point of view.

What canâ??t be sanitized, however, is the robotâ??s deadly efficiency; remove the human from the weapon, and problems like recoil and breath control are eliminated, allowing the robot to hit a nickel-sized target at 328 yards. In one test, a SWORDS scored 70 out of 70 bullâ??s-eyes.

Thirty or so years ago, the composer John Cage proposed a different sort of battle strategy: Take the heads of warring nations, give each a 50-pound sack of horse manure, lock them in a room, and let them fight it out. Itâ??s a quixotic notion, but at least it takes into account a human element, the idea that war cannot be waged without a price.

As for the SWORDS units, what does it say about us that this is how we use our creativity â?? to invent robots that offer more efficient ways to kill? How can we be so disconnected that we refer to people as â??targets,â?� whether they are enemies or civilians, too indistinct to identify through the garble of a video display? Surely we lose something by all this disengagement.

Itâ??s easy to be ruthless from a distance; less so when you see the whites of someoneâ??s eyes. If thereâ??s no potential for human cost, how do we calculate our humanity, how do we show anything resembling restraint? And without restraint, are we even fully human anymore?





Peace

[Torog]

Howdy Herbaholic,

As a veteran,I like the idea of using the SWORD bots,especially in a situation,where the enemy blends into the civilian populace. I'd like to see the concept expanded to include large battle bots,the size of a main battle tank. I also believe that most of our uav's,should be armed as well,and that we should use them more often . An uav managed to capture those responsible for the US embasy attack,on video and lead us to their hide-out.

Are you one of those who believe that fighting from a distance-is cowardly ? If so,why is it,that you think that the forces of evil and tryanny,should be given any advantage ? Using ied's against our forces,is fighting from a distance,ain't that cowardly ?

So..who do you support ? Americans liberating folks from tryanny..or those who seek to re-impose it ?

Have a good one...Torog

[F L E S H]

Sure Torog, use US robots to kill humans in other countries, and Americans won't feel as bad about it because there's no American casualties.

I have a better idea. Why don't we implant chips in all humans all over the world so that the US can kill anyone they want at the flick of a switch. Wouldn't you like that? You could kill 'dirty muslim scum' just by thinking about it!

[Torog]

Sure Torog, use US robots to kill humans in other countries, and Americans won't feel as bad about it because there's no American casualties.

I have a better idea. Why don't we implant chips in all humans all over the world so that the US can kill anyone they want at the flick of a switch. Wouldn't you like that? You could kill 'dirty muslim scum' just by thinking about it!

Howdy FLESH,

I'm just curious..why is it that you want the jihadists to succeed ? Why do you continue to excuse and ignore the monstrous brutalities that they commit ? Why is it that you're making any excuses for islamofascism ?

I think that we should use these SWORD bots against gangs in the US-do you think that's wrong ? Why should 'known' drug houses,that sell hard drugs,be allowed to continue to operate and git our children hooked on hard drugs ? You see it all the time,on the tv show"Cops",the cops are always busting folks that have been seen leaving a 'known' drug house..why don't they ever shut down the drug house ? A SWORD bot would be able to take out the crack,meth and heroin dealers,without risking the lives of cops..and if the dealers resist and perish-then the tax-payers will be saved many dollars in re-habilitation and incarceration expenses.

If a muslim wishes to live in peace with their neighbors,I ain't got a problem with that..it's up to the muslim to decide which way they will interpret the koran..using it's verses for violence or finding a way to live in peace with us 'infidels'.

Have a good one..Torog

[F L E S H]

I'm just curious..why is it that you want the jihadists to succeed ? Why do you continue to excuse and ignore the monstrous brutalities that they commit ? Why is it that you're making any excuses for islamofascism ?

I really resent these rather stupid assumptions you make about me. I'm not excusing anything they do, because in my eyes they're the scum of the Earth. For fuck's sake, I shouldn't even have to defend myself from stupid accusations like these.

I'm not making excuses for Islamofascism, or whatever you wanna call it. You're the one, actually, making excuses for Americanofascism. You see? I can throw out poiltical terms that don't make sense too.

My point is that making killing other human beings easier is amoral and just plain disgusting.

You want to make killing people easy, and you wanna ease the public's conscience by saying that we can make it so much easier by sending automated robots to do our dirty work. That's my problem, and it has absolutely nothing to do with Islam or anything else for that matter.

If anyone is amoral on these forums, it's you. You preach nothing but violence and death, and you wanna make it easier. Yeah, sometimes war is inevitable, I can accept that. But it's an ultimate resort, not the solution to all of life's problems, like you think.

Kill all dem bastards! yee haw!!

[pisshead]

hey torog, why is it that you don't care about the destruction of your constitution and bill of rights?

why do we have to turn into a dictatorship in order to be safe from terrorism? and how does having a wide open border keep us safe?

you blindly support socialism and fascism at home...

[Libertarian Toker]

Howdy FLESH,
I think that we should use these SWORD bots against gangs in the US-do you think that's wrong ? Why should 'known' drug houses,that sell hard drugs,be allowed to continue to operate and git our children hooked on hard drugs ? You see it all the time,on the tv show"Cops",the cops are always busting folks that have been seen leaving a 'known' drug house..why don't they ever shut down the drug house ? A SWORD bot would be able to take out the crack,meth and heroin dealers,without risking the lives of cops..and if the dealers resist and perish-then the tax-payers will be saved many dollars in re-habilitation and incarceration expenses.

What??? Your kidding right? How can you support the war on drugs Torog? I find that to be rather odd. I have done plenty of coke in my time. I quit doing it on my own. No one had to kill the guy I got it from to stop me. One of the guys I used to get it from was a good friend, and still is. He is one of those people you think should perish to save the life of a useless drug cop. Me, I would be extremely pissed to hear that he had been killed that way, not pleased that he saved the tax payers some change. I wonder Torog, what would happen if they used your sword bot on suspected weed dealers? Would you approve of that also? If they sent a bot to slay me in my patch, would it make you happy that some taxes had been saved? You may want to rethink your support of drug war tyranny Torog. It's way wrong for you to be supporting that type of action. If you can change your head with beer and weed, why can't the next guy do a few lines, or eat some mushy's to change his head? Freedom should be for all Torog, not just a few.

Toker

[F L E S H]

Nah, LT, you got Torog all wrong... weed is ok because HE says so. Appaarently, he's wise enough to decide for us what we should and shouldn't be doing, and even who we can and cannot kill...