why the future doesn't need us, by bill joy

[Herbaholic00]

Ok before I answer your questions Torog i'll just say that I havn;t really read or heard much about these Sword bots things, i just came across the article and stuck it onto this thread because it is kind of relevant.

Are you one of those who believe that fighting from a distance-is cowardly ?
If so,why is it,that you think that the forces of evil and tryanny,should be given any advantage ? Using ied's against our forces,is fighting from a distance,ain't that cowardly ?

I dont really think it cowardly to use robots or fight from a distance, its clever... if I had an army then I would rather be using robots than people, after all the aim is to complete your goal with as little casualty for your self as possible.

So..who do you support ? Americans liberating folks from tryanny..or those who seek to re-impose it ?

Whilst I do believe that everyone should enjoy the freedoms that I do I dont really believe that the U.S. governments main goal is 'liberating folk', more like they want to instal puppet governemnts and open up and exploit markets aswell as put military bases in strategic posistions.

I bleive the terror threat is totally exagerated and the order out of chaos thoery is being putinto play. Immagine if 9/11 hadn;t of happened , the world would be such a different place, I am skeptical about the real agenda of the war especially as there are still so many unaswered questions from 9/11. To me 9/11 seemed to be the point that the government really started to move on there long term plan...............dare I say New World Order or is that just too way out...I always wondered why its writtern on the $ bill in latin tho.......maybe you know?




Peace

[Torog]

What??? Your kidding right? How can you support the war on drugs Torog? I find that to be rather odd. I have done plenty of coke in my time. I quit doing it on my own. No one had to kill the guy I got it from to stop me. One of the guys I used to get it from was a good friend, and still is. He is one of those people you think should perish to save the life of a useless drug cop. Me, I would be extremely pissed to hear that he had been killed that way, not pleased that he saved the tax payers some change. I wonder Torog, what would happen if they used your sword bot on suspected weed dealers? Would you approve of that also? If they sent a bot to slay me in my patch, would it make you happy that some taxes had been saved? You may want to rethink your support of drug war tyranny Torog. It's way wrong for you to be supporting that type of action. If you can change your head with beer and weed, why can't the next guy do a few lines, or eat some mushy's to change his head? Freedom should be for all Torog, not just a few.

Toker

Howdy LT,

You're right,of course..I don't know what I was thinking..I guess I had this image in my mind of hard-core ,hard drug dealers that sell drugs to little children..can you agree that those kind of dealers should be eliminated ? Instead of having LEO's take the dealer out-it should be done by other dealers that don't sell to children..some vigilante action. I'll try and be more clear on what it is that I want to do in the future,because I don't want to be percieved as supporting the WOD in any way.

However,I still believe that communities should drive out the gangs in their midst,if possible..not because they sell drugs to adults,but because they sell or give drugs to children,to git them hooked as future customers. My intent,is more to declare open season on gang-bangers,than it is an effort to bust drug dealers down.

Thanx for pointing out the error of my ways,LT..lol..sometimes I git a little bit carried away.

Have a good one...Torog

[Libertarian Toker]

I have known a lot of drug dealers in my time Torog. I have never known one to target young children. I think maybe your falling for some BS spread by the drug war. It's for the children don't cha know. Say Torog. how many liquor stores do you know of that target young children? It's the illegal thing that makes hard drugs available to young people. You can bust people until you turn blue in the face, but you will get nothing done unless you end the prohibition that's causing the availability to children. Everything you have said has been said about weed also. We both know it is not true about weed. Nor is it true about other drugs.

Teach Your Children

( Crosby, Stills and Nash )

You, who are on the road,
Must have a code that you can live by.
And so, become yourself,
Because the past is just a good bye.
Teach your children well,
Their father's hell did slowly go by.
And feed them on your dreams,
The one they picks, the one you'll know by.

Don't you ever ask them why, if they told you, you will cry,
So just look at them and sigh and know they love you.

And you, of tender years,
Can't know the fears that your elders grew by.
And so please help them with your youth,
They seek the truth before they can die.
Teach your parents well,
Their children's hell will slowly go by.
And feed them on your dreams,
The one they picks, the one you'll know by.

Don't you ever ask them why, if they told you, you will cry,
So just look at them and sigh and know they love you.......

[NowhereMan]

i ve known a few in my day
some stand on the corners they dont care about age

if it was legal it can be managed better than it is now
thats a fact

I have known a lot of drug dealers in my time Torog. I have never known one to target young children. I think maybe your falling for some BS spread by the drug war. It's for the children don't cha know. Say Torog. how many liquor stores do you know of that target young children? It's the illegal thing that makes hard drugs available to young people. You can bust people until you turn blue in the face, but you will get nothing done unless you end the prohibition that's causing the availability to children. Everything you have said has been said about weed also. We both know it is not true about weed. Nor is it true about other drugs.

Teach Your Children

( Crosby, Stills and Nash )

You, who are on the road,
Must have a code that you can live by.
And so, become yourself,
Because the past is just a good bye.
Teach your children well,
Their father's hell did slowly go by.
And feed them on your dreams,
The one they picks, the one you'll know by.

Don't you ever ask them why, if they told you, you will cry,
So just look at them and sigh and know they love you.

And you, of tender years,
Can't know the fears that your elders grew by.
And so please help them with your youth,
They seek the truth before they can die.
Teach your parents well,
Their children's hell will slowly go by.
And feed them on your dreams,
The one they picks, the one you'll know by.

Don't you ever ask them why, if they told you, you will cry,
So just look at them and sigh and know they love you.......

great song btw love that one

[Torog]

Howdy LT,

What can I say ? ..'cept that you're right..and I'm wrong..when ya put it that way-for sure..I don't know what I was thinking..thanx for pulling me back from the madness !

It's so easy to git drawn into wanting to legislate behaviour and coercing others into conforming to what we think is right for everyone-when clearly it is not. I apologize for being guilty of such..and I hope that I can be more mindful in the future.

Have a good one...Torog

[Herbaholic00]

Why is it that people can see through the governments war on drugs for the bull shit that it is yet when the same government tells you that there is a war on terror and that each and everyone of you is in immediate danger etc you follow blindly....................
Isn;t it basicly the same line for both terror and drugs, how we are in danger from it etc



It doesn;t make sense to me, the governemnt will lie and blow things out of proportion about the war on drugs to gain advantage so why would they tell the truth about the war on terror?

Hopefully you can help me understand your point of view.



Peace

[pisshead]

yeah, and just like the CIA ships in the drugs, which is fully documented...guess who's responsible for the major terror attacks...

and who stands to gain...

as the police are militarized, and the cashless society control grid is being put in place, and the mechanisms to tax us all by the miles we drive and have a national id card with cameras watching us everywhere...this is not freedom.

there's 2.4 trillion missing from the pentagon, the government is looting the people and preparing to steal our pension funds. the feds changed the rules that now companies own the pension funds and can take them away, for our safety.

total despotism is being put in place, while we're told we need to liberate the world. the world sees what we're doing, but here in the belly of the beast, we cheer it on.

[Herbaholic00]

the police are militarized, and the cashless society control grid is being put in place, and the mechanisms to tax us all by the miles we drive and have a national id card with cameras watching us everywhere...this is not freedom

This is kinda much the same for the UK, we are always a l;ittle behind the U.S. but we are always there. Interesting point about the taxing of miles we drive they have been on about it for a while in the uk now, i'v never really thought about it that way before...

As for the pension funds........ditto again.



Peace

[Libertarian Toker]

Howdy LT,

What can I say ? ..'cept that you're right..and I'm wrong..when ya put it that way-for sure..I don't know what I was thinking..thanx for pulling me back from the madness !

It's so easy to git drawn into wanting to legislate behaviour and coercing others into conforming to what we think is right for everyone-when clearly it is not. I apologize for being guilty of such..and I hope that I can be more mindful in the future.

Have a good one...Torog

Right on man, I'm glad to hear your thinking a little differently about it now. I'm sure that you would do the same for me if I went loco for a bit also. Say, hows that car coming along??? PM me and let me know your progress. Nothing like a small car with a large engine to make ya go fast.

Toker

[moomoo]

[B]i think torog is a cop