i understand wot your saying vegas grower but is practicly impossible to grow in a bedroom wardrobe with black and white polly on the outside to stop light leaks,they knew i was growing and were ok with it but i just went to far and made them flip there lids,cheers for the info marimbas and the pic for a tyin down,i think ill just have to respect the fact they aint for havin a little garden of weed in 1 of there bedrooms and just wait till i get myself a flat of me own(very soon) and grow fookin plentiful of it,and remember rule #1!!