Quote Originally Posted by deadfan420

...In other words, the Iraq war has actually made the world MORE dangerous because it gave groups like Al Queda a great recruiting tool to say "See, this is what the US is really like"...


Violence breeds more violence. This is what people on the right don't seem to understand.


I ask all the people who are beating the drums of war with Iran: Haven't we learned anything from Iraq? It's been an utter failure, brought on by lies, and I hope Bush and Cheney are dragged before an international tribunal for war crimes because they are single-handedly responsible for the deaths of 100,000+ Iraqis and thousands of Americans.

You are right about the first one. The invasion added to Al Qaeda's cause, and was a rallying call for insurgents.
But don't you think that sentiment had existed long before-hand? I'd argue it did.

People on the right understand that violence breeds violence. But they also have what I will phrase as a "safe rather than sorry" stance when it comes to danger to the nation or other nations or ...heaven forbid, economic interest(but lets be honest, all sides of the political spectrum are affected that way)
What I mean is that they have the standpoint that if there is a threat, its best to confront it and eliminate it, before it strikes mass damage, casualties, etc. They don't sugarcoat their thoughts with hopes for diplomacy each time(though i'll agree they do settle some things diplomatically)...they see through the bullshit on some specific cases where dialogue just isn't going to cut it. And to me, that saves time...Why let a man who could cause mass amounts of harm continue to build his arsenal while you send ambassadors to trade notes at a board table. Sometimes, it just doesn't work, and the threat grows bigger. I don't know why, but as I posted a few days ago on here, I find myself wanting to be on the safer side, as I think diplomacy will do nothing but hurt in the situation with Iran.

If I've learned anything from Iraq relating to the new threat of invasion in Iran, its that and Iran are different. The shit happening now is eerily reminiscent of the time leading up to the Iraq invasion, its true. Only this time I'm confident they have a cause for it. Too bad they cried wolf already..

Man, you honestly want them to be tried in a tribunal? You know that won't happen right...as they basically run their own terms. For a country to go to the international criminal tribunal, for war crimes lets say...that country has to agree to it. Never gonna happen.