Not sure if you were completely addressing me Medicinal, but let me clarify; when I say I'm "inclined" to agree, I mean I'm leaning that way. I do believe that Bush has lied on several fronts, but I don't believe there's sufficient evidence (that I'm aware of) to indicate he lied about the WMD and wasn't just genuinly misinformed. Bush does lie, but then all politicians lie. His lies have been a good deal more extreme during his reign though.