Remote or complete legalization?

[BathingApes]

In your opinion, do you think it would be better to legalize drugs that have been proven to have no physically addictive symptoms etc, such as marijuana, but leave ones such as H and charlie illegal,

OR, make all drugs legal for PRIVATE CONSUMPTION by adults.




For me, its definitely the second one. Nobody has the right to tell me what I can't do to my own body in the privacy of my own home. When it starts to effect others, then it becomes a problem. But otherwise, we should be allowed to do whatever we want to ourselves. There should not be laws againt me altering my state of mind.

BathingApes Reviewed by BathingApes on 09-22-2007. Remote or complete legalization? In your opinion, do you think it would be better to legalize drugs that have been proven to have no physically addictive symptoms etc, such as marijuana, but leave ones such as H and charlie illegal, OR, make all drugs legal for PRIVATE CONSUMPTION by adults. For me, its definitely the second one. Nobody has the right to tell me what I can't do to my own body in the privacy of my own home. When it starts to effect others, then it becomes a problem. But otherwise, we should be Rating: 5

[ntcrawler]

I would like to say the second one just to take the potential money from unsavory and violent drug dealers/cartels. It would also allow safer drugs that you wouldn't have to worry about what you are actually getting. I still think there would be some unforeseeable repercussions but the only way to find out is too legalize it. Good luck with that though.

On the subject of number one I would be pretty satisfied with just that. I guess marijuana, MDMA, mushrooms, LSD would be on that list among others. The illegality of MDMA in the US makes it hard to get actual/pure MDMA and can some times be cut with or strictly methamphetamine.

[Mr. Clandestine]

I hate to break it to you, but heroin/PCP/meth, etc., will never become legal...and for good reason: they can all quickly either kill you, or ruin your entire life altogether.

It's a nice thought that you should have the right to put any chemical in your body that you so desire...but, unless you've ever actually been addicted to said chemicals, you have no idea what you're missing by NOT using these drugs. And I don't mean that in a positive way whatsoever.

Many/most of these drugs are HIGHLY addictive, entirely toxic to the human body, and detrimental to the mind. What would be the purpose of legalizing something that has been proven to make otherwise normal citizens rob their own mothers just to get another fix? Heroin can, and will, do this. So will any other drug that someone feels he/she MUST have in order to make it through another day. Hard drugs commonly lead to domestic issues, as well. Everything from spousal abuse to excessive noise pollution (and much, much worse) are common in people who have been on a weeklong meth binge. Why cause more social and domestic issues by allowing these mindsets to flourish legally?

There are many good reasons to legalize - or at least decriminalize - marijuana. Plenty of studies have concluded that marijuana doesn't lead to violence or insanity. The same can't be said about heroin, crack, etc. Medical grade marijuana has been proven to be beneficial to patients suffering from cancer, multiple sclerosis, AIDS, ADD, etc., etc., etc. And more positive uses are being discovered all the time, lending even more reason for the government to consider its legalization. I don't know of any medical benefits that crack cocaine gives to the people who regularly use it. Industrial hemp has thousands of innovative possibilities that could positively benefit the American economy. Especially now, when rising oil prices are driving more Americans to consider alternate methods to fuel their vehicles. Ethanol can be produced from hemp plants. I could go on forever about the positive uses, but I'll refrain, so as not to bore you any further.

I know I can't change your stance on this subject. Only you can do that. Read up a little bit more on the lives these synthetic chemicals have ruined, and continue to ruin to this day. If you're addicted to one (or more) of these chemicals, then you can get help...and can eventually abstain from ever feeling the need to use them again. I did, and I couldn't be happier. I now have a wonderful family, I own my own business, and I have an entirely positive outlook on the rest of my life. None of this would have been possible if I had decided to continue shoving boat-loads of cocaine up my nose, day-in and day-out.

Experience is the mother of intuitiveness. I've experienced it all, and now I'll only stick with my beloved cannabis. There's a damn good reason for this.

[bumclot]

I feel that drugs that are man-made should stay illegal. Even though heroin and cocaine start from plants, they have to go through a lot of processing before they can be used. To outlaw plants that grow out of the ground, cannabis, shrooms, whatever, is stupid though. Imagine lowering someone out of a helicopter by a rope just to tear out what are basically some shrubs, it's ridiculous but its done all the time.

Total legalization has its pluses too though. If all drugs were legal, much more government money could be spent on drug awareness and rehabilitation programs rather than policing the problem. If there's no demand for hard drugs then there won't be any.

[Reefer Rogue]

I believe that cannabis should be legal everywhere, I wish to live free of oppresion and arbitrary legislation for the self regarding choice that i make.

[Mr. Clandestine]

If there's no demand for hard drugs then there won't be any.

Sorry, but that's just entirely false. You're right that total legalization would free up money for other programs, but it certainly would not solve America's drug problem by ending demand.

I'm not sure if you know many people who are addicted to any of the real dangerous chemicals...but, if you did, you'd understand that they most definitely would not abstain from their drug of choice just because there's plenty of it around. That's not the way addiction works, unfortunately.

[Psycho4Bud]

Great thread with potential of self-destruction. Lets make SURE to keep it on the subject matter and not a "I did this" thread.:thumbsup:

Myself, I say legalize everything. People will find it anyways....why plug up the jails and put money into the hands of those that shouldn't have it. Tax the substance to help pay for the after effects in the health care/treatment phase.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Mr. Clandestine]

Lets make SURE to keep it on the subject matter and not a "I did this" thread.:thumbsup:

Sorry. I tend to preach about this subject pretty regularly, as it hits pretty close to home for me.

Tax the substance to help pay for the after effects in the health care/treatment phase.

I like your idea, and I respect the advocacy for "all-out" legalization, but...wouldn't regulation/taxation create the same issue that we're seeing with alcohol and tobacco in our schools? A lot of kids are trying alcohol and tobacco at young ages now, because technically it's legal...if you're over a certain age. They see their parents using it, other kids using it, and eventually they think about using it, too. I don't want my daughter getting suspended from school for anything...period. But I know I'd be considerably more irate if I were told that she has been suspended for shooting smack in the back of the classroom, or smoking PCP in the locker room.

My own opinion is that we should at least start with marijuana. If/when things go well, then maybe start thinking about the other psychedelic and organic edibles!

[bumclot]

Sorry, but that's just entirely false. You're right that total legalization would free up money for other programs, but it certainly would not solve America's drug problem by ending demand.

I'm not sure if you know many people who are addicted to any of the real dangerous chemicals...but, if you did, you'd understand that they most definitely would not abstain from their drug of choice just because there's plenty of it around. That's not the way addiction works, unfortunately.

I guess that is an oversimplification. But would things be a lot worse if all drugs were legal? True, I only know a few people that use hard drugs, but from what I have seen from documentaries and other sources, hardcore addicts don't seem to have trouble getting drugs, and it also seems rehabilitation programs rarely work, so if more money could be focused on rehabilitation through total legalization, maybe there would be more progress against addiction to hard drugs. Not to mention, total legalization would cut down on many drug homicides. We've already seen that what the government is doing now isn't working, so maybe its time for a change.

I'm an advocate of remote legalization anyway. Hard drugs serve no purpose in my opinion. While some might numb pain, they provide no true relief, while bud has been proven to have medical uses.

[gweggystyle20]

i completely agree with option#2. with the exception of meth labs someone shooting up on heroin or takin some hardcore drug only hurts themselves. the government has no place to say we cannot hurt ourselves. plus there is a ton of money in drugs whether politcians want to admit it or not. the money from taxing drugs plus the money saved from the whole war on drugs would finance bushs wars many times over. it could also revitalize the agriculture economy and add to the exports of this country maybe even givin our country a favorable balance of trade