Magnesium (Mg) deficiency? Pics

[Opie Yutts]

have you seen the threads on bonsai mums? Very neat info for keeping a mother for a long period of time.

Yes I've read threads and articles. I know I am not doing it right at this time; I'm just letting them grow and taking cuttings as needed. I am redoing my grow area (again) and plan to start bonsaing properly in the near future.

[Opie Yutts]

why not clone and start anew?

Because I don't like taking cuttings from an unhealthy plant. Not only will this stress the mom, which I really don't want to take a chance on losing, but the clones will start off unhealthy, if they even decide to root at all. That gives me an idea though. I might take a couple cuttings and keep them in the fridge just in case something goes wrong with trying to rehabilitate the mom.

[rhizome]

OK- you gave negative reponses on risk factor stuff, which greatly reduces the likelihood of viral infection.

The mushroom thing makes me think that it's soil-related. I'd definately re-pot, if only to get a look/smell of the rootzone. By the time that you're actually seeing mushrooms, you've got a whole sh*tload of mycelia in the media. May be a little wet, too...
See what ya see-and what ya smell.

You might want to start using a 'zyme product, if you're going to keep moms for a long time. Helps cleanup the detritus that builds up as part of normal growth.

So re-pot it, dry things out some, see what ya see...

I would keep it quarantined, though, and sterilize whatever tools you use, wash your hands,etc... If nothing else, you've got a plant with a compromised immune system- so even if this isn't a contagious disease, one of the inevitable secondaries might be.

Sorry I can't be more specific- but I do think that you have a chance. The symptoms sure do sound like mosaic- if you'd told me that the soil had previously been used for cucumbers, or that you had just had an aphid problem- then I would have told you to dispose of it quickly, and with extreme prejudice.

[Opie Yutts]

A big thanks to everyone who has responded so far, and in advance to any possible further advice.

I have learned a lot from this thread, especially from looking up some of the words in rhizome's replies. It seems like nobody has seen anything quite like it before, and can't give me specifics. (Come to think of it, I didn't see anything excatly like it in either of the problem charts i linked above.) Please do not worry in the least about this, since you have given me many good ideas and pieces of advice, as well as pieces of the puzzle, which I will take to heart. I appreciate it very much.

I will look into a 'zyme product. To aid in my product search, does "zyme" mean "enzyme"? Seems so. If so, come on rhizome, it's only one more key stroke to spell the whole word. (I jest.) I looked up zyme in an encyclopedia, and it said it was an obsolete medical term formerly applied to the class of acute infectious maladies. Zymotic disease - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I will zyme, anti-wilt, repot, flush, quaranteen, ventilate, not necessarily in that order. I would prefer not to go to a bigger container, since that one is fairly big already. Do you think it would hurt much to cut off some root if it appears to need that? I know this is how you bonsai, but those bonsai plants are presumed to be healthy, and I don't want to overstress the plant to the point of possible nonreturn.

OH, I gotta ask about the tabacco smoking. Does that inhibit pests, viruses, and/or diseases, or promote them? In general why did you ask that question. I know several people swear by using tabacco juice to repell pests.

Unless pride goeth before a fall, I am proud to have introduced something to this board that people have not heard of before.
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[rhizome]

'zyme = commercial enzyme product (eg hygrozyme, cannazyme,sensizyme) that will hasten the decomposition of cellulosic tissue in the media. I've fallen into the habit of referring to that whole class of products as " 'zymes"- they're all pretty similar in action. As I remember, Sensizyme claims 80 or so specific enzymes in their product, or 57 herbs and spices, or some-such. Yadda Yadda Yadda.

Over the course of time, some root mortality is normal and healthy. Out in the world, this isn't too much of a problem- but any digestive process ( well, not any...but let's not go there) that stalls for whatever reason results in the buildup of intermediary metabolites, which may or may not be problematic.

It's not so much tobacco smoke that's a vector for TVM as tobacco handling and partially burnt tobbacco particles which become airborne- but where there's smokers, there's smokes. Fire, luckily, is somewhat effective against mosaic.

What concerns me is that you seem to be saying that this plant has never thrived- classic MV. Pokey pokey pokey and then all of the sudden dead. But there are a lot of things that can do this- metal toxicities, fungal wilts.

If this is commercial seed or cutting, Ya might want to think about just replacing it- general "Failure to thrive" is very difficult to diagnose.

Basically you've got, as possibilities

-Pathogen ( Infective diseases are rarely treated, it is almost always more practical to destroy the host)
-Genetic disorder ( non-pathogenic - ie bad RNA from a parent that is not viral)
-Incompatible environmental conditions ( which means you can't actually grow it, anyway...)
-Media Problems

As we've got no more specific diagnosis, and only one possibility is treatable, it makes sense to treat for that possibility and hope for response. Only way to play the hand- everything else is a fold.

At the same time, you've got a plant which is more likely to harbor pathogens, primary or secondary, as it's immune system is comprimised. Unhealthy plants, like unhealthy people, get sick easier. AIDS doesn't kill- the secondaries do. End result is the same.

So you want to put it aside, to protect the rest of your plants, until you see a good response to a media change.

[Weedhound]

Serious question.....is there a way to diagnose a virus in a plant?

[rhizome]

Sure- have a tissue sample tested.

Other than that, you're going w/ symptomology.

[Weedhound]

A biopsy.....lol, guess they don't get antibodies....

[khronik]

I've heard manganese deficiencies can cause blotchy leaves. I like stinky's idea of wilt-proofing your leaves.

As for "intravenial chlorosis", it's all latin roots, ie, intra = between, venial = veins, chloro = green, osis=condition or malady. So it means something like "problem with the greenness between the veins." Just an interesting fact.