Isomerization process for Green Dragon?

[dragonrider]

dude tyou should make your own thread detailing your methods

regards

I will definitley do this after I get my final process figured out. Right now I have a pretty good method worked out, and I describe most of it in the original Definitlive Green Dragon thread, started by Master Wu. See http://boards.cannabis.com/recipes/8...ml#post1651148.

After I decide if any of these heating and lemon juice techniques make a difference, I'll write up the whole process and post it in a separate thread.

[Coelho]

When you do the isomerization, do you just put that ball of resin in some water and boil it for 2 hours? Is anything extracted into the water, such as impuritites? Are you able to discard the water and recover all the resin? Is there any loss to the amount of hash oil?

Yes... i put the ball into boiling water and boil it. I noticed that sometimes the water becomes very slighly brownish... Dont know exactly what goes to the water... probably the residues of the solvents i use to extract the oil.
Anyway, i noticed that the oil becomes denser and harder... maybe due the loss of solvents (which made it softer)... and there is a definite decrease in the volume of hash oil... it loses roughly 1/4 of the initial volume.

I think also some of the other cannabinoids in some strains of weed can block the attachemnt of the good forms of THC onto the nerve receptors. So even if this process does not actually CONVERT those to more active isomers, I wonder if it REMOVES them, making the good isomers of THC more completely utilized by the body --- I do not know enogh about this chemistry/pharmacology to know if that could be true, but it is one idea I had.

This process of blocking actually happens. The CBD, which causes the couchlock indica effects, uses the same receptors than the THC. I use this effect to make the THC effects last longer. I first smoke some indica, wait some 30 minutes, than smoke some sativa. As the receptors are "busy" with the CBD, it takes longer to the THC be absorbed, so its effects takes longer to kick in, but also longer to wear off...
And it also explains the creepy weed. It has a lot of other cannabinoids, mainly CBN, which is the product of the oxidation of THC. The CBN also uses the same receptors, so they are busied by it, and the THC takes longer to kick in, so the creepy effect.

Just one remark... the process of converting other cannabinoids to THC is not exactly isomerization... anyway, its just a name.

If you could post a detailed description of your exact isomerization process for your hash oil, please do. Or if you already have posted it, could you post a link? I would really appreciate it. Thanks!

I dont remember if i posted it... anyway, there is no secrets or great details... i put the ball of hash oil into my test tube, fill it with water until 1/2 of its level, put this test tube into a pan with water, and boil this water for 2 hours. As some water from the test tube evaporates, i re-fill it. After this 2 hours, i take the test tube from the pan, wait the water cool down and get the hash oil.

BTW... im almost sure i already suggested it, but nevermind. You can make hash oil simply heating the green dragon until all the alcohol evaporate. Then you can isomerize it, and after it redissolve the hash oil in alcohol, producing green dragon.

[dragonrider]

Coelho, thanks for the info about your technique and about the CBD and CBN blocking.

[dragonrider]

I did the second variation in my experiment today.

The first variation was to cook a 1/2-ounce shot glass of the green dragon liqueur to see if the cooking changed the high in any way. I cooked it in the double boiler water bath for about an hour and posted the results in a previous post in this thread.

The second variation, which I did yesterday, was to cook the same amount (1/2-ounce shot) with lemon juice. I put the 1/2-ounce shot of green dragon liqueur in a pyrex measuring cup with the juice of one lemon and cooked it in the double boiler water bath for about an hour.

I really couldn't tell much of a difference beteeen the first variation and the second, so I think maybe lemon juice does not make any difference. If anything, I would say that the most recent time, using the lemon juice, the high was less energetic than the first time. I can't really be sure, because there was too much time between the two experiments, but it seemed a little less energetic. I've been doing these experiments on days when I'm going to be home all day doing a bunch of household drudgery, like laundry and vacuming --- seems to make it less boring. The first time, cooked without lemon juice, I got right into my chores and had a pretty good day. This last time, cooked with lemon juice, it was really hard to get going and keep up the momentum. Could be I was just not in the mood for laundry, or it could be a different high.

The next variation is to try a 1/2 ounce shot without cooking it at all. Maybe I will have a day next week when I can do that. I'll post those results too.

[TryptamineScape]

I haven't tried cooking anything lately, I got some weed that gets me so incredibly high from smoking it I was like forget it and have just been baked alot instead.

[dragonrider]

I'm doing the third and final veriosn of the experiment today --- took a 1/2 ounce shot of the green dragon liqueur, without cooking it in any way, and added it to my morning coffee with cream and sugar and a shot of Irish Whiskey. Yea! Breakfast of champions!

Started drinking the coffee at 9:15 and will finish by 9;30. I'll give it a little time and then have breakfast. I'll post back the results later and try to compare it to the other times when I cooked the liqueur and the time I cooked it with lemon juice.

I'm having what I call a "House Elf Day." All laundry and house cleaning --- it's a lot better when you are high.

[Coelho]

a shot of Irish Whiskey. Yea! Breakfast of champions!

Man... do you drink at breakfast??? :wtf:

[alaricxi]

Thanks for all of the info guys, very interesting to read. I was thinking about making brownies this weekend but now I think I'll make dragonrider's recipe from the green dragon instead.

Quick question: What I'm wondering is if there is any reason why you shouldn't just shoot for doing the extraction for 2.5 hours to do both the extraction into the alcohol and the isomerization all at once?

That way it would only consist of two steps, decarboxylizing in the oven, then extracting and isomerization in the double boiler. (plus sweetening and watering down as desired)

Keep up the great experiments! :thumbsup:

[alaricxi]

Sorry for the double post... I guess here you can't edit a post 10 minutes after it was posted.

Dragonrider, I am wondering if there is a reason you broke it into "small hit-sized pieces" instead of grinding it to a powder for the decarboxylizing. What would be the best thing to do?

Thanks a lot guys. :hippy:

[Coelho]

Dragonrider, I am wondering if there is a reason you broke it into "small hit-sized pieces" instead of grinding it to a powder for the decarboxylizing.

Indeed... why dont to grind it?