ORGANIC VS NON-ORGANIC????

[fsunoles]

I'am trying to decide what nutes I should go with. Organic is a better overall taste from what I have heard.Chemicals (non organic) make seem to make buds huge! from your opinoins what is the best option?

fsunoles Reviewed by fsunoles on 09-19-2007. ORGANIC VS NON-ORGANIC???? I'am trying to decide what nutes I should go with. Organic is a better overall taste from what I have heard.Chemicals (non organic) make seem to make buds huge! from your opinoins what is the best option? Rating: 5

[shaggytodope]

Well do you you want huge and potent and tastie or decent and tastie but not as much you choose. I can tell you that most people can not tell the difference unless they have the same bud grown both ways to test. You can also use, lets say GH 3 part and supplement it with pure blend pro from botanicaire wich is organic and it will help it taste a little better i guess. But i dont use any organics now, not worth the time. But I can tell you for sure that if you want to smoke something with the lowest possible poisons in it then use a chemical feed like GH. Its refined to absolute purity, the ingrediants its made from I mean. and any organic stuff wont be, so if the source of the organics had trace arsenic,or whatever bad stuff wich all dirt has you could find that bad stuff in any organic pot tomatoes etc. using gas chromatography and would not using a refined chem fert, SHAGGY

[ProGroWannabe]

I'm running a combination, I guess you could say. The only thing no-organic though, is PK 13-14. I'm feeding Earth Juice products on this grow. I'm certainly no fert expert, but I think something that might get overlooked here, is nutrient availability. Personally, I think in a good organic nute, nutrients are broken down naturally and to the point of breakdown, that availability to the plant is precisely the way mother nature intended. Ya know, macro breaking down from biodegradation--- micro breaking down from beneficial bacteria, so on and so on...
As far as a difference in overall yield, that's one big can of worms! There are almost infinite variables involved even with the same strain and same grower. I personally think the true jury is still out on that one. My opinion is, using the two different types of nutes with equal success, would entail slightly different feeding/growing techniques to maximize the yield with each one. I also believe the difference would be minimal, whichever the winner.

[Opie Yutts]

If you flush at the end of the grow, would it make any difference? I mean organic or not?

And what is the difference between organic and organic based? Anyone?

[fsunoles]

advanced nutrients Dr.Hornby big bud how is that chemical as far as overall bud and taste.

[ProGroWannabe]

Opie, I'm a little confused bro, are you asking if flushing at the end makes any difference in final product yield or taste?
And I am not able to answer the difference between organic and organic based, except to say that I think the moniker "organic based" may be telling us that it's a combination of organic and chemical ferts.....?....maybe one of the folks on here that know ferts really well will chime in?

I can't answer that one fsunoles. But I would be interested in opinions of those who have used it.

[rhizome]

Usually " organic based" means that the product derives macronutrients from organic sources, but for whatever reason doesn't actually carry an OMRI "organic" certification. Could be the use of EDTA chelates, could be a sourcing issue- can also be that the maker simply hasn't jumped through all the hoops needed to get OMRI cert.

Fer instance, if you're making a product that contain " natural" ingrediants, and you have OMRI certs for all of your inputs, you can qualify for "organic" status- assuming that all of your processing equipment can be certified as not having been used on any materials that don't qualify as OMRI certifiable.

It's illegal in the US to claim that a product is "organic" w/out certification- so if there's a possibility that non-certed inputs will be used at some point in the future ( ie potential use of non-OMRI because OMRI-approved may not be available in the future), you're better off printing your packaging as "organic-based", even though everything that you're using today is, in fact, OMRI certifiable.

Also, ANY change in the production of an OMRI certed product requires re-submission of application and re-certification- expensive and time consuming.

Oddly enough, not all natural products are considered OMRI certifiable- fer instance, a fertilizer containing rock phosphate, which is certifiable, may not be certifiable if said phosphate is not handled according to certain guidelines.

Bottom line- US OMRI certification is a joke- I've been thru the process of having a greenhouse OMRI certified, and I was freakin' amazed at what I could get away with, and what was disallowed- the rules are more complicated, and less logical, than say, Cosmic Wimpout.

If yer talking about either the Fox Farm or the Pure Blend products, the issues with the use of iron edta as opposed to an " approved" chelate... cause the large scale use of citrate salts is gonna save the planet.:wtf:

[Opie Yutts]

Progrow: I was asking that if you flush properly, would it make any difference if you use organic or non organic, as far as the taste. Would non organic flushed weed taste about the same as organic flushed weed?

Rhizome: That clears up some stuff. Thanks. And yes, I was talking about Fox Farm. I've had wonderful results with that stuff.

[ProGroWannabe]

Ahhhh Opie...sorry bro. I DO read, I really do--lol.

For me, the difference isn't noticeable at all, but maybe I'm just weird. I seem to be weird as far as everything else goes.

Rhizome---awesome info! Seems your knowledge knows no bounds?

[rhizome]

Rainman, at yer service...