Suuuuuper High pH!!

[PharmaCan]

Opie - I agree with almost every word you said, except for one thing. The internet is a written form of communication and, as such, has certain rules that are designed not to make it inconvenient for the writer, but to make what is being said clear to both the reader and the writer. To say that it is acceptable to try to communicate in writing with out even devoting a modicum of attention to punctuation, is akin to saying that a person who whispers too quietly for people to hear him or her is a good verbal communicator.

As an English teacher, I can tell you that there are generally two reasons that someone writes with total disregard for the rules.

No.1 - They are stupid and/or uneducated.

No.2 - They have the attitude, "Fuck you, I'm going to make you struggle to read what I wrote."

Now, stupid is as stupid does, and stupid is about the only legitimate reason for well, stupid writing. I have a great deal of compassion for people who were not blessed with the same gifts that most of take for granted. However, unless the stupid person happens to be a savant, I doubt I'd want their grow advice anyway, so the issue is moot.

When otherwise intelligent people choose to write in a manner that makes it difficult to read their material, they can maybe maybe get some people to struggle to understand them, because to do otherwise just wouldn't be "cool". However, the fact of the matter is that they are just being immature little jerks with a "fuck you" attitude. I don't even read posts written that way. It's a total waste of time and merely reinforces the writer's juvenile desire to be an obnoxious jerk. Someday, perhaps, the writer may realize that they are not being cute, but, rather, obnoxious. Someday, perhaps, these people will mature to the point that they have the self-confidence to conform to established norms in matters as important as communication.

I want to make it clear that I'm speaking in general terms and not criticizing any one individual. There are many people posting on this forum with the aforementioned attitude.

...and yeah, yeah, yeah - if you want to hang out with people who spend a lot of time IM'ing each other and everyone understands the lingo, by all means massacre the language to your heart's content. I couldn't care less.

But if you are trying to communicate with the general public, show a little class.

PC :smokin:

[palerider7777]

no need to lie, being that you were responding to opie, and what he wrote and knowing what dejayou30 wrote about me prior, then i know that was aimed at me so don't fret. and no im not"No.1 - They are stupid and/or uneducated.

No.2 - They have the attitude, "Fuck you, I'm going to make you struggle to read what I wrote" not i don't think that way at all,
\matter of fact im pretty sure i've done more in 5 years of my life than u have with all of yours.and from what u have wrote then that would mean 90% of the people on the internet should not use it anymore, as everyone does'nt write as if there in english class.and sorry i made the mistake that people can understand stuff like"yes u start the seed in the rocwool or peatmoss plugs and then when roots show u can put it into the basket with hydroton" i did'nt think i would need to load the fuck out of that sentence with .,";:!@#$%^??? sorry. but as long as the internet has been out i know most people don't mind writing like that, but it seems to me the only time u hear/see people become the "anal look down there nose at u type attitude" is only when they feel there being picked on or someone says something they don't like, or want to hear then being the higher than u type starts to come out.

as theres nothing else they can say or do to u so they become lil kids and start trying to find something to say back to feel as if they did something. lol it's not my fault sum people don't have good comprehension of things, and have to have it spelled out word for word and even that don't help. so i don't think the internet is a good place for a english lesson, maybe u should stick to ur class room for that kindda thing. i bet u could write a run on sentence, and i can under stand what ur saying sarcasm aside...that is. so from what ur saying, is if u don't write perfect everytime as if you are writing a english term paper, then u are just a dumb, lazy, uneducated, stupid, asshole.hummm must be nice to be perfect like u are sir,i wish all i had to do in life was to have perfect grammer/english on the internet and everything in my life would take care of it's self, or all i had to do was sit in a class and teach english and judge people if they missed a .,;' or not. ohh yea i forgot im one of the people that make those luxuries for people like u possible sorry for the inconvenience....

ps"As an English teacher, I can tell you that there are generally two reasons that someone writes with total disregard for the rules No.1 - They are stupid and/or uneducated.

No.2 - They have the attitude, "Fuck you, I'm going to make you struggle to read what I wrote" is that what u think when ur teaching your class if so i feel real sorry for your class. sounds biased to meeeeee.

[PharmaCan]

Palerider - I made a point not to target you in particular. I did this mainly because I respect the way that you respond to people. You really make an effort to help. I often read your posts, until they get too long and then I just can't be bothered with trying to figure out what you are saying.

As far as the other stuff you wrote, I got to the first insult and didn't bother to read any further. It isn't worth the effort and there is simply no reason for animosity. I was making general comments not directed at anyone in particular and certainly not at you. Although, to be quite honest, I wish you would take some of it to heart. You're an intelligent guy, you just have a terrible way of expressing yourself.

PeaCe :jointsmile:

[palerider7777]

lol well i just write based on what i see, i mean am i supposed to be nice and cuddly all the time? and i don't see what i wrote as insults, but i don't sugar coat anything..anymore that is. i used to be the nice quite shy guy trying to please everyone when i was younger, and that got me nowhere so i've become more blunt in my old age not that i try to be. and as i start out nice in a thread and then because people don't like debate, and start picking apart what i say like a lil kid would, and can't stay on topic and then i respond back with bluntness, as i do in real life and im looked at as the big prick. lol not to be harping and not talking about this thread either,i think i've become the site prick, lol as i try to be nice first and i don't back down either. i guess it's a bad mix to sum, and i do end up writing alot i know i do sorry for that.

so i'll keep it short but is it just me or does dajayou30 seem abit on the young side as everything he has written seems like back stroking b.s as in he seems to have angry outbursts followed by agreeing with u then back to not understanding or maybe it's just me but it just seems that it's abunch of wishy washy bs and im the prick?? oh well i guess

[PharmaCan]

Palerider - just so long as you know I wasn't jumping on your shit.

As far as the other goes, I'm still waiting to hear the results of the 12 hour pH test. :wtf:

PC :smokin:

[dejayou30]

Ok, first, I am just going to say that I never re-asked the question after it was answered 100%, either in this thread or any other. Most of the time, I get half answers or suggestions to other techniques, which is not actually a real answer. Thats all I am going to say on the subject.

Second, I certainly never claimed to know everything, but when someone says "read a grow guide" to learn about vegging periods and other extremely basic stuff like that, it is annoying. pH is not in the same category as how long to leave the lights on to veg the plant.

As for the information relevant to this thread, I just lowered the pH to around 6 and used about 1/2 a bottle of pH down that was made for an aquarium. I plan on getting more in a large quantity tomorrow when the hydro store is open. It took FOREVER to get it down to 6! The first three times I added one "dose," it didn't do anything, so I started adding 2 doses at a time and had to do so like 8 times just to get it to 6. When will I know if its usable?

[Weedhound]

Well.......the stuff for aquariums isn't what you want for your plants.....fish products are too high in salts for plants....even freshwater as they simply use different chemicals for the fish adjusters than the plant ones. However it will most likely tell you if you can use it or not by just letting it sit and checking your ph but I wouldn't run it through your system. (ph TESTERS for fish....ok....) Wait a few hours or even overnight and see if the ph stays stable or starts to rise (or lower....). If it stays the same (or a reasonable facsimile (sp?) of) you can use it but if you find that you are constantly having to readjust your water to keep it in a usable range then you should think about r/o or distilled water.

Are you using hydroton or rockwool or ?

[PharmaCan]

As for the information relevant to this thread, I just lowered the pH to around 6 and used about 1/2 a bottle of pH down that was made for an aquarium. I plan on getting more in a large quantity tomorrow when the hydro store is open. It took FOREVER to get it down to 6! The first three times I added one "dose," it didn't do anything, so I started adding 2 doses at a time and had to do so like 8 times just to get it to 6. When will I know if its usable?

If you are going to be near the water most of the day, check it every two hours. If not, check it at least at 12 hours.

Here's what's going to happen: First we see if the pH goes back up to 8.0 or if it stays down. If it stays down, you are home free. If it doesn't, the next step is to put nutrients in the solution and see if that keeps it down. (I start with r/o water that's around 7.5-8.0. After I add my nutes the pH is around 4.5, so I adjust it up.) This is something you might have to screw around with for awhile, but it beats the hell out of hauling water. I have to go get 30 gal. again today and this is getting real old real fast.

PC :smokin:

[rhizome]

Yeah- you really want proper pH down- it's about a thousand times the mol strength. I wouldn't make any decisions based on fish tank chems- they are formulated to make it difficult to cause a quick, dramatic change in pH, as this would be fatal to the fish.

It would be helpful at this point to know what your medium and flood cycle is.

[dejayou30]

I am going to the store to get some pH down for hydroponics. The flood is set up for 15 minutes every 2 hours, and we are putting the germinated seeds into rockwool, surrounded by hydroton.