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09-21-2007, 03:51 PM #15
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Absolutely, there is nothing more which can be of a more accurate contradiction than fasting to release yourself from desire.You desire control and a sense of accomplishment, I never thought about it that way. Kudos.
And thank you for agreeing with me.
It is a common fact that people do exercise a high degree of desire to release themselves from chemical substances its called willpower lol, or in the case of fasting which is no different, certain emotions, the monotony of proving their love and admiration to their God, if this did not come with desire then one would not do it, but it does, and the more one desires to do this the more one succeeds in the fast and showing a release of the material world which surrounds their everyday lives.
FOR EXAMPLE. If one is addicted to heroin then for one to free oneself from the beastly grip of the drug one must first have the desire to do so, it takes many stages but throughout the procedure it is down to your personal desire to quit or if you will, your own willpower.
So of course in essence while under rehabilitation programs you are simply replacing your desire for one thing (the drug) with a more positive form of desire to release yourself from the negativity of this drug.
Yes and attaining a state of mind in which you are free from the continuous want of a cigarette requires a huge amount of willpower, or if you will DESIRE.let me give you a very very realistic example.
30 days of fasting... let's say you're a chainsmoker and you don't smoke till 7:30 in the pm.. sunset.. the time you break your fast..
i personally think that if you succeed going on for 30 days without smoking (given that you're a chain smoker) till 7:30... it does show something that you have strenghts in your power of controlling desires and a strong faith.. the very same faith that made you take a step to fasting and cutting down addictions.
Just like fasting, there is no difference in the example you gave to the terms or reasons of which you use fasting, your example did nothing but enlighten my previous point.
Think about it.
You said:
But the entire act of a fast is to create a frame of mind (according to you) to free yourself from desire, yet to do this you desire to do so.no one really desires fasting
So you desire not to desire. Get it?
Perhaps the misunderstanding is on your half as in one thread you claim it is here to control desire yet in your last post you changed your mind, perhaps you should study your faith so you can answer correctly to questions put to you about your faith before this happens again.










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