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09-12-2007, 08:01 PM #11
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Argument made by religious people that just isn't valid
Can you prove this? Can you prove that the man you even know to have died upon the cross for our sins was named Jesus?Speaking to the historical fact that there was a man named Jesus who is the same Jesus in the bible,
I doubt Christians are even sure about this, dont some people believe his name was Isa or Yeshua lol - wasnt Jesus a Greek King?
Note that Joshua = Yoshua or Yahushua because there is no "J" sound in Hebrew. The letter "J" is only about 500 years old and isn't even found in the original 1611 King James version
The answer lies in the Greek/Latin corruption of the Messiah's original Hebrew name. Originally, the name of the Messiah was pronounced Yahushua. This is the Messiah's original name. When the Gentiles tried to transliterate His name into Greek, they came up with ihsoun or "Iesous". But originally, this word was from #3091 in the Hebrew which is . When Iesous was transliterated into Latin, it became "Iesus", which was then carried over into English it became our modern day "Jesus" when the letter "J" developed.
So even the name of Jesus is a muddled mystery most historians cant get their heads around.
And you want me to believe he even existed?
Not true.you can choose to or not to believe in the religon or divinity but to use history as you defense and then deny history is true is pretty much the definition of ignorance
History is not a faith which must be either entirely accepted or entirely dismissed, as i have stated before, there are a number of historical events which have a profound deal of evidence which i support, i do not however support the mythological aspects to certain civilisations which cannot no matter how hard you believe be proven to have ever had existed (by the way im still waiting for your evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ).
Can you prove that Jesus used cannabis?and considering that it is said that Jesus used to use cannabis in is healings and other religous acts performed I am shocked that so many atheiests are on hear
(And dont pull a subjective verse from the Bible because thats not evidence, its as good as me asking for proof of jack falling down his beanstalk - and you pulling out a kids fantasy nursery book as evidence)
If jesus had mystical powers from God then why on earth did he need to use EARTHLY medicine to aid in his healing processes?
I really dont get you.
You think because APPARENTLY jesus used cannabis that users of cannabis should not come on internet forums and talk about it - that to use cannabis you must firstly accept jesus as your personal saviour.
SD651552 or whatever... you talk utter nonsense
And why dont we compare the figure to the millions upon millons of children, men & women killed in the name of God through the hundreds upon thousends of religious wars throughout the entire history of religion...the high depression suicide and confrontational acts of athiests
Im sure we've lost count now.
I mean if i stood in the middle of a gathering of atheists or in a village of atheists and shouted God exists and lives etc etc - what kind of reaction do you believe i will recieve?
Yet what if i stood in front of a mosque in the middle of a highly muslim populated area and shouted Allah is dead!
In which scenario do you think I would face execution?
I think you know the answer.
And then after saying that he says....
Oh i better get out of your way before you chop my head off aswel lol.I do defend my beliefs to the death
I DO NOT DENY HISTORICAL FACT YET THE EXISTENCE OF JESUS IS NOT HISTORICAL FACTthe only ignorant thing is deny the historical facts
I am asking you to provide evidence for the existence of Jesus, how on earth is this ignorant?I have no problem with athiest until they begin to atack me and my faith with ignorance.
I agree with this aswel, SD61515 you only assume I am an atheist is that not real ignorance?Thing is, you assume we're all atheists for not agreeing with you, but I have yet to make a single assumption about anyones person.
Grief pain and suffering will always be here yes, but when a race of indoctrinated people roam the earth killing anything that doesnt submit to them in the name of God with little or any proof that what they speak of is correct, something has to be done about it, these doctrines have to be contained and controlled and proven that the contents is clearly misunderstood if anything completley wrong!Once a monk pestered Buddha about philosophy of cretion and existance. Buddha tol that monk that he was as a wounded man who would not recive medical tretment until he learned the name and location of man who harmedd him. Those who refused to live by peace beacause of differnces over why we are here and what put us here would die on the hospital bed beforethey got this useless information. What differnce does it make how we got here, greif suffering and pain would still exist.
Afterall, we dont want primitive minds pushing 21st century red buttons now do we?
I agree entirely yet the ability to question the beliefs which are shown to you is a concept of the human brain which should never be taken for granted, id ask people to question everything.Atheists are as bad as Christians in the sense that they believe that God either exists or doesn't without substantial proof. Agnostics, like myself
But its a question of odds, what makes more sense to you?
And sd6515 im stil waiting for the evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ.
Im guessing it took you around 15 minutes to enter the site, look around for a bit and type that message, I hope you know that in that time the universe expanded an extra 162 million miles.if the world is just here based on the big bang or whatever, how did it start? How did it happen to be here, but of course that would go into a continuous loop, because how did the higher power get there?
If you think that our planet and solar system are amazing and unique then, although we cant show you life on other plants we can show you millions upon millions upon millions of stars, and remember almost every star you see when you look outside is within our galaxy.
The nearest star from us is something like 4 light years away, thats 4 x 6 trillion miles away.
Our tiny galaxy alone is around 100,000 x 6 TRILLION miles accross
You would have to travel at around 186,000 MILES PER SECOND for 100,000 years to get from one end of our galaxy to the other.
The galaxy next door to ours is 2 Million light years away, thats 2 million x 6 trillion miles away.
Yes you would have to travel at a rate of around 186,000 miles per second for 2 MILLION YEARS to reach the Galaxy NEXT DOOR to ours.
And I would say at an underestimate there are around 800 BILLION galaxies in this universe.
The numbers are beyond anyones comprehension.
And remember what ive talked of is nothing, times it by a billion and your not even close when you begin to think about what this space is expanding into - and how far the 4th universe is from this pale blue dot you call earth, Gods earth.
Yet do you really think that God would have created all of this over that vast amount of space and time...
So that Jesus and Muhammed could mess about in the Dessert?
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