Argument made by religious people that just isn't valid

[jdmarcus59]

I am ignorant because I choose not to believe something without a shred of evidence for its support of existence?

lol

No one has the slightest physical evidence to support a historical Jesus; no artifacts, dwelling, works of carpentry, or self-written manuscripts. All claims about Jesus derive from writings of other people. There occurs no contemporary Roman record that shows Pontius Pilate executing a man named Jesus. Devastating to historians, there occurs not a single contemporary writing that mentions Jesus. All documents about Jesus got written well after the life of the alleged Jesus from either: unknown authors, people who had never met an earthly Jesus, or from fraudulent, mythical or allegorical writings. Although one can argue that many of these writings come from fraud or interpolations, the information and dates to show that even if these sources did not come from interpolations, they could still not serve as reliable evidence for a historical Jesus, simply because all sources derive from hearsay accounts.

So lets be sensible about this, evidence is not based upon hearsay, which is the only type of evidence one can provide in terms of the existence of jesus christ.

And im still waiting for the evidence that Jesus Christ existed



And why not?

Why does the Jesus on the Cross for all our sins story hold so much weight that we all MUST believe it?

IT and HIS EXISTENCE holds as much weight as the earlier comparision to the great African Tinman.

So do you believe that nobody should deny the existence of the African Tinman?

Because i dont see the difference in terms of evidence for existence between the two Myths

read my post.

[Fallen_Icarus]

I did not assume anything,and for some reason you seem to have a problem with religion and christanity when ive said over and over that i do not force my religion on others

That doesnt mean I cant question your faith with the most simple methods of questioning (which you yourself cannot seem to answer).

And i didnt seek you out of a crowd, you came to me and defended your faith, and you said you would do this "until death" yet you cant even provide me with one piece of evidence that Jesus existed - i know, its always been an easier option for religiously minded people to pick up the sword and be violent clearly that makes me feel you have doubts about your belief.

If not then i suggest you turn around and walk back accross the dessert into the barren isolated village of people who wish also not to question their faith, who wish also not to look at the facts and what 'simply makes more sense'.

Sorry to all for my launguage

I think I am the one who deserves a direct apology, I dont respect people who swear, shout and call names, its in simple terms an idiotic moronic act.

a little to ridiculous for me

Look back over my posts, what do you find so ridiculous about asking questions about your faith? Is there some sort of law which forbids it?

yeshua, Jesus Christ, where "Christ" is a title derived from the Greek christós, meaning the "Anointed One," which corresponds to the Hebrew-derived "Messiah". The name "Jesus" is an Anglicization of the Greek Ίησους (Iēsous), itself a Hellenization of the Hebrew יהושע (Yehoshua) or Hebrew-Aramaic ישוע (Yeshua), meaning "YHWH is salvation".

Thanks for repeating what I said in a previous post, oh and did you know that the Greek etymology of the term christ is 'oil'.

historical proof jesus and crucifiction - Google Search

The link you provided, the google search (lol), I ask you for evidence and you give me a Google search, well i looked around in that search (an act which clearly I have done before many a time).

And again found nothing, but despondent attempts by biasd journailsts and archeologists approaching the society of the science class with vague, fallacious attempts to prove the existence of the 'son of god'.

Do you think, you could head to the world of science with a google link and tell them "Now do you believe me?"

It is laughable and anyone reading this with any sense would agree.

Come on SD, is this the best you can do? I give you an infinite speed of space and time unimaginable and unthinkable to the human brain, areas in space which could erase the logicality of the thought process of our minds, I give you the closest major entity of our universe to us being over 2 MILLION X 6 TRILLION MILES AWAY - SOMETHING WHICH IS POSSIBLY 500,000 LIGHT YEARS ACROSS MEANING YOU WOULD HAVE TO CREATE SEVERAL CIVILISATIONS TO REACH IT AT THE TOP SPEEDS WE CAN TRAVEL AT TODAY!!

....and you give me a google link?

Ask yourself why scripture spoke so beautifully of this earth in such great description, but yet hardly uttered a word about 'what's out there', because in comparison (the earth and the universe alone) the earth is left as an image of a single grain of sand compared to the beauty and the amazing, never ending depths of our universe.

Why should i waste my time sighting my sources

Because you have none thats why.

Why wouldnt you, i mean lets think about this, im challenging your faith, clearly you would score points if you could prove me wrong, so why wouldnt you?

You know deep down you would do it if the evidence existed, but it just doesnt, im sorry to say.

So just admit it, all you have are vague google links, that are simply not facts - just assumptions and biasd opinions.

[jdmarcus59]

That doesnt mean I cant question your faith with the most simple methods of questioning (which you yourself cannot seem to answer).

And i didnt seek you out of a crowd, you came to me and defended your faith, and you said you would do this "until death" yet you cant even provide me with one piece of evidence that Jesus existed - i know, its always been an easier option for religiously minded people to pick up the sword and be violent clearly that makes me feel you have doubts about your belief.

If not then i suggest you turn around and walk back accross the dessert into the barren isolated village of people who wish also not to question their faith, who wish also not to look at the facts and what 'simply makes more sense'.



I think I am the one who deserves a direct apology, I dont respect people who swear, shout and call names, its in simple terms an idiotic moronic act.



Look back over my posts, what do you find so ridiculous about asking questions about your faith? Is there some sort of law which forbids it?



Thanks for repeating what I said in a previous post, oh and did you know that the Greek etymology of the term christ is 'oil'.



The link you provided, the google search (lol), I ask you for evidence and you give me a Google search, well i looked around in that search (an act which clearly I have done before many a time).

And again found nothing, but despondent attempts by biasd journailsts and archeologists approaching the society of the science class with vague, fallacious attempts to prove the existence of the 'son of god'.

Do you think, you could head to the world of science with a google link and tell them "Now do you believe me?"

It is laughable and anyone reading this with any sense would agree.

Come on SD, is this the best you can do? I give you an infinite speed of space and time unimaginable and unthinkable to the human brain, areas in space which could erase the logicality of the thought process of our minds, I give you the closest major entity of our universe to us being over 2 MILLION X 6 TRILLION MILES AWAY - SOMETHING WHICH IS POSSIBLY 500,000 LIGHT YEARS ACROSS MEANING YOU WOULD HAVE TO CREATE SEVERAL CIVILISATIONS TO REACH IT AT THE TOP SPEEDS WE CAN TRAVEL AT TODAY!!

....and you give me a google link?

Ask yourself why scripture spoke so beautifully of this earth in such great description, but yet hardly uttered a word about 'what's out there', because in comparison (the earth and the universe alone) the earth is left as an image of a single grain of sand compared to the beauty and the amazing, never ending depths of our universe.



Because you have none thats why.

Why wouldnt you, i mean lets think about this, im challenging your faith, clearly you would score points if you could prove me wrong, so why wouldnt you?

You know deep down you would do it if the evidence existed, but it just doesnt, im sorry to say.

So just admit it, all you have are vague google links, that are simply not facts - just assumptions and biasd opinions.

if it can be proven to you without a any doubt, that christianty is true, would you fall to your knees and give your life to christ?

[JaggedEdge]

I seem to have jumped the gun in agreeing with SD, here.

Upon further research, I have come to the conclusion that Fallens questioning of the actual existence of Jesus is not ignorant in the least. It is an uncommon view, even amongst scholars, however there are reasonable reasons as to why some believe he was nothing more than a mythical creation.

Here is one interesting fact I found.

Only one out about forty Roman Historians in the 1st and 2nd century CE mentioned Jesus.

With this and other information I have found, there is reasonable cause to question the existence of Jesus.

Fallen, I apologize.

SD I feel you need to retract your comment regarding Fallen being ignorant.

[JaggedEdge]

if it can be proven to you without a any doubt, that christianty is true, would you fall to your knees and give your life to christ?

This isn't directed at me, but I would like to answer it anyway.

1. There is no plausible way to prove Christianity is true.

• There are far to many dissenting views as to what Christianity actually is.
• At the same time, everything Christians believe in would have to be proven.
  • Jesus Christ being the Messiah
  • Mary being a Virgin
  • The Resurrection
  • Heaven and Hell
  • Original Sin
  • Etc

2. Even if some of Christianity were proven no one should be required to obey. Personally, even if I one day discover with 100% certainty, there is a god. I will bow down to no one. I life of servitude is not a life I would like to live.

We should live our lives for ourselves and the benefit of our fellow man, not a mythical being, such as god.

[Hardcore Newbie]

historical proof jesus and crucifiction - Google Search

The first page in this search is from a personal geocities page, hardly a bastion of proof.. The second and third are sceptic sites that claim that jesus doesn't exist. Great job with your link. Get an actual source instead of hoping that your vague search terms work in your favour.

[JaggedEdge]

The first page in this search is from a personal geocities page, hardly a bastion of proof.. The second and third are sceptic sites that claim that jesus doesn't exist. Great job with your link. Get an actual source instead of hoping that your vague search terms work in your favour.

I agree, the google search link was laughable. I seem to be having the same problem though, I'm looking for documents attesting to the Historical existence of Jesus, and all that shows up are Christian, Catholic, and other religiously biased sites.

[sd6515]

It was meant as a joke not as serious in anyway but it is funny you went there

[jdmarcus59]

This isn't directed at me, but I would like to answer it anyway.

1. There is no plausible way to prove Christianity is true.

• There are far to many dissenting views as to what Christianity actually is.
• At the same time, everything Christians believe in would have to be proven.
  • Jesus Christ being the Messiah
  • Mary being a Virgin
  • The Resurrection
  • Heaven and Hell
  • Original Sin
  • Etc

2. Even if some of Christianity were proven no one should be required to obey. Personally, even if I one day discover with 100% certainty, there is a god. I will bow down to no one. I life of servitude is not a life I would like to live.

We should live our lives for ourselves and the benefit of our fellow man, not a mythical being, such as god.

you did not answer the qustion. It is a yes are no answer.

[jdmarcus59]

well at second thought I guess you did answer the qustion. so I guess you would live your life a lie then, sence you said it was proven to you 100%. Well it is your right to live aganst
the truth.