Argument made by religious people that just isn't valid

[sd6515]

by the way if your not an atheist you sure spend alot of time discrediting religion that in itself makes me wary of all you say

[JaggedEdge]

Proof Jesus never existed

Evidence that Jesus never existed

Jesus Never Existed. End of story., page 1

Proof the bible is false.

WHY JESUS NEVER EXISTED

God is Imaginary - 50 simple proofs


Here you go, see how simple it is to find unreliable sources.

See how easy it is to find unreliable sources supporting what you believe?

[Hardcore Newbie]

because in the same way you could verify the facts from madd you can verify the facts in there and for your information madd and various other groups are who started the gov. tracking of numbers on the topic and there numbers on there site are accurate as are these very bad example

You don't think that MADD has a different definition of "drunk" driver, "accident" and other words that people take for granted so they can skew things to make their message seem more legitimate?

and byt the way the sight links to all there information sources and the source are backed in many other places this is just a site that complied the evidence, every statement on those sites is sighted and as I said above

The whole site basically links to itself for it's proofs. The only outside recommended reading comes from yet more sites dedicated to "proving" that God exists. I did look for their sources, which I would have looked at. I found none.

... and then you can go to those independant sources listed there and see for yourself I should not need to do the work for you do this next time before writing a discrediting statement, that is called indepentdant research do you know what that is or how to do that?

You're assuming I didn't look for the sources, which is actually the first thing I looked for. Something I did find interesting though, was this quote, directly from Archaeological , bold italics and all.

It should be noted that Christianity is a religion based upon relationship, not knowledge. It is a religion of faith not logic. The information provided is to help answer questions, but ultimately you must believe in the Bible by faith. Because of who God is, we will always have questions. In order to have eternal life, we need to believe the words of Jesus that we are sinners and are in need of a Lord and Savior.

Science literally means knowledge. Without knowledge, there is no proof. Thanks for playing.

[Hardcore Newbie]

by the way if your not an atheist you sure spend alot of time discrediting religion that in itself makes me wary of all you say

I am an agnostic. I just don't believe that a perfect being would be as silly as the dude that I read about in the bible. The descriptions of god fearing people reaching heaven, talking donkeys, playing hide and seek with adam and eve, and the roundabout way to save mankind through Jesus Christ. To think there wasn't a way that God could create to save mankind that actually makes sense. "Be a good person" would be one. "Don't let your kids die simply because they curse you" would be a great one.

[sd6515]

Once again I feel that the athiest and agnostics, which by the way I can completely respect athiests but not agnostics atheist at least have a firm belief in there feelings and findings and I feel I overlooked this before when I said I can respect all beliefs because the one to me and to all that should be unaccpetable is an agnostic. the basic definition of an agnostic is someone who is to weak faithed to be a Christian and to weak willed to be an athiest I can at least respect the other atheist and do even while at odds with them for there similiar strong will and beliefs neither of which an agnostic can claim to have. and if as an agnostic true firm belief was found and shown as Jesus was quoted as saying "you have seen me but those who have not seen and still believe have a stronger faith then you" I mean in my opinion even God himself would have more respect for an atheist. I retract my previous statement of calling a flip flopper to an athiest because upon further research have found that an agnostic is the true weak one unable to come come to there own conclusion I mean I can take research and dispute religion with a atheist but an agnostic is just a lost cause to both sides the most pathetic of all.
At this time I do retract all statements against the athiest I insulted especially the f*ck you and the horse you rode in on" i am sorry you have convistion and belief in your opinions and I respect that and again appologize for that and the time it took me to do so.
At least you have the conviction to name your horse LOL
I mean come on I know we are on opposite side but agnostic please just another name for I don't know and I am to scared to choose. Can we at least agree on that? out of some common ground.
Agnostic LOL to weak to chose LOL choose a side and them rejoin at least I can respect an atheist for there beliefs an agnostic basically has none or at least won't stand behind them and regardless of what you say your own catoragation defines that. Common ground fallen etc.?

[sd6515]

:thumbsup:?:jointsmile: as common ground as our love for cannabis:jointsmile:

[sd6515]

talking donkeys, playing hide and seek with adam and eve, and the roundabout way to save mankind through Jesus Christ.

speaking of siting sources and baking what you say where do you get talking donkeys or hide and go seek LOL once again agnostic LOL:wtf:

[Hardcore Newbie]

the basic definition of an agnostic is someone who is to weak faithed to be a Christian and to weak willed to be an athiest

There are more sides to belief than "no god" or "XIAN GOD ONLY ZOMG!"

The definition of an agnostic is not what you describe. The definition of agnostic is "I don't know". I don't know if there is a god, GOD, G-d, deity, supreme being, all knowing creator, or if there isn't. Just because you underline, bold and italicize something, that doesn't make it true.

I can at least respect the other atheist and do even while at odds with them for there similiar strong will and beliefs neither of which an agnostic can claim to have. and if as an agnostic true firm belief was found and shown as Jesus was quoted as saying "you have seen me but those who have not seen and still believe have a stronger faith then you" I mean in my opinion even God himself would have more respect for an atheist.

So because I don't know how the universe was created, then I must be weak willed? Can you explain the logic in that one?

I retract my previous statement of calling a flip flopper to an athiest because upon further research have found that an agnostic is the true weak one unable to come come to there own conclusion I mean I can take research and dispute religion with a atheist but an agnostic is just a lost cause to both sides the most pathetic of all.

I think that saying "I don't know" is much better than pretending to know and making up answers. Again, a person must be weak willed if they can't explain the origins of... everything. And, there are more than two sides.

I mean come on I know we are on opposite side but agnostic please just another name for I don't know and I am to scared to choose. Can we at least agree on that? out of some common ground.

Why are you so eager to be on opposite sides with people on the first place? I'd rather everyone be on the same side and be nice to each other, regardless of beliefs.

You obviously have no grasp on what it is to be an agnostic if you think it's because "I'm too scared to choose a side". Agnosticism isn't about choosing known sides, because if the "sides" were known, there's nothing to claim ignorance about. It just doesn't work like that.

Agnostic LOL to weak to chose LOL choose a side and them rejoin at least I can respect an atheist for there beliefs an agnostic basically has none or at least won't stand behind them and regardless of what you say your own catoragation defines that. Common ground fallen etc.?

Laugh all you want. I have beliefs regarding humanity and the way we should treat each other. I have no "beliefs" about the universe, and the ones I do have are just that... beliefs. Things that I think could be true, or ways that it might have happened. I'm not going to come to the conclusion that my beliefs are an better than another person's, and that my beliefs are the only way to receive a cosmic award of which there is no proof of. I'd be ridiculous to expect it of anyone else, but yet you believe I should follow your beliefs (or the atheists, to how "both" sides), for unsubstantiated reasons.

[sd6515]

if you are reffering to numbers chapter 22 you will clearly see it is God speaking through the donkey not a speaking donkey and once again LOLOLOLLOLOLOOL and know what you quote before you quote LOL

[sd6515]

if you are as weak as not being able to chose at least know your facts at a min. and not booged down this already heated thread with nonsense and un researched claims I mean please either do this or do not post if you can not claim faith either in or against you put yourself on an even higher level of requirement to even participate in this discussion