Argument made by religious people that just isn't valid

[sd6515]

P. S. You have chosen your path, and we have chosen are path.
there is nothing left to say, but to walk are own path. So walk. by.
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well said jd I only wish I could be so tactful on this topic

[Mr. Bubbles]

The truth is there, but you have already chosed not to be live, and that is your right.

So then what about us agnostics? I don't know if any form of god exists or not. I don't deny the existence of one, either. I find it quite silly that the Christian 'God' would expect everyone to just believe in him without one shred of proof. If he really wanted people to believe and be saved, he'd give them a damn good reason to. I think the Christian religion is simply an outdated tool that was used to herd the sheeple of the past. I suppose it still works, though. Look at America for example. 'God Bless America!'
Or Europe, 'God Save The Queen!'

People in power associate God with themselves to make them seem 'right' and in tune with what God wants.

Sorry, but that sort of thing doesn't sound right to me. :jointsmile:

[JaggedEdge]

So then what about us agnostics? I don't know if any form of god exists or not. I don't deny the existence of one, either. I find it quite silly that the Christian 'God' would expect everyone to just believe in him without one shred of proof. If he really wanted people to believe and be saved, he'd give them a damn good reason to. I think the Christian religion is simply an outdated tool that was used to herd the sheeple of the past. I suppose it still works, though. Look at America for example. 'God Bless America!'
Or Europe, 'God Save The Queen!'

People in power associate God with themselves to make them seem 'right' and in tune with what God wants.

Sorry, but that sort of thing doesn't sound right to me. :jointsmile:

Just because you don't declare is no god doesn't mean you won't be burned at the stake right beside me. Haha, my exact classification is an agnostic atheist. Take that bro, I'm the worst of both worlds. :jointsmile:

[Mr. Bubbles]

I'm the worst of both worlds. :jointsmile:

If that's how you want to look at it. Religion and politics are so closely related.

[sd6515]

Proof of Birth

Validity of the Bible

Here are two different sections of just one sight with the information and links to information of historical and physical proof of the birth crucifition of Jesus and events in the Bible. Just a few of many I have and you can check each person and finding as well to see that you may not and do not have to believe inthe didvinity of Jesus Christ but he as a man did exist and there is physical and historical proof that he did exist. And there are many more but this sight is full of them and is others as well as this site but I figured rather then list all and waste my time( since you don't seem to care about proof just claim to so you can dismiss it) I would just give the one that complies it in one place it may be a sight run by a ministry but feel free to check the validity of there claims against real sites and source not anti christian sources and you can see they are backed and valid. You asked and I provided when you seem to really want the information not that I expect you to believe but you can then see that there is historical and physical proof that does support the existance of a man named Jesus and the crucifiction and other events and place in the Bible.

[sd6515]

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[allah]

I just say fuck it, let what happens, happen. And when it comes down to the decision of right and wrong, what you choose, is what makes you who you are. Not what religion you call yourself. Now, thats not saying religion is stupid or doesn't exist. But I know for a fact, that something as important as our salvation couldn't be tossed up as a gamble for choosing the right god.

[sd6515]

The old testament is what mainly speaks of damnation, owning slaves, and the vegfullneess of God and became the old testament when the new testament was written after Jesus came and died for our sins and then the entire tone of the Bible changed this is obvious when you read the Bible front to back. as it say in the Bible the more you are given the more you are responsible for which in turn logicaly means the less you are given the less you are responsible for, this is speeaking towards the knowledge and acceptance of the Bible so therefore a man in Africa who's only knowledge of good and bad and has no knowledge of the Bible but does his best to follow this rule he knows as right will not be damned for not believing this and many other similiar teachings are teaching of the christian faith other teaching are demented pervertions of the faith used to suit radicalist christian views, similar to the way that afghan terrorists are islam and claim to be following there religion when they commit there terrible acts when in reality Islam religion is one of the most peaceful religion on the planet so it is not fair to judge all christians based on the views and preachings of the small percentage of radicalist out there in the same way it is not fair to say all Islamic people are terrorist, the views of mainstream christianity are nowhere near what you have represented it to be.

[Hardcore Newbie]

Proof of Birth

Validity of the Bible

Do you understand what an independent source is? I believe people asked for an independent source for a reason. So we wouldn't get "proof" from a biased source. I hardly consider a site that has in it's mission statement, that it believes the following...

... the Bible to be the inspired and only infallible and authoritative Word of God. ... there is one God, eternally existent in three persons: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost
... in the deity of our Lord Jesus Christ, in His virgin birth, in His sinless life, in His miracles, in His vicarious and atoning death, in His bodily resurrection, in His ascension to the right hand of the Father, and in His personal, future return to this earth
... water baptism by immersion
... the baptism in the Holy Spirit, in which the evidence is the proclaiming of the Gospel with boldness, and most of the time the receiving of a prayer language
... in the sanctifying power of the Holy Spirit by whose indwelling the Christian is enabled to live a holy life.
... in the resurrection of both the saved and the lost, the one to everlasting life and the other to everlasting death.

Hardly an independent source, why not ask for drunk driving statistics from MADD?

[sd6515]

because in the same way you could verify the facts from madd you can verify the facts in there and for your information madd and various other groups are who started the gov. tracking of numbers on the topic and there numbers on there site are accurate as are these very bad example
and byt the way the sight links to all there information sources and the source are backed in many other places this is just a site that complied the evidence, every statement on those sites is sighted and as I said above I was ask for the proof Im not going to do the work for you of going to all the individuals source and individualy proving them to ppl that will still ignore and deny them regardless of how highly supportive the evidence is. I do know what an indepentent source is and they are listed on that site as welll next time try reading the whole site not just what you can find to think youve discredited and then you can go to those independant sources listed there and see for yourself I should not need to do the work for you do this next time before writing a discrediting statement, that is called indepentdant research do you know what that is or how to do that?