What do you think about allowing college students to carry guns?

[MindBlo]

Really good question I think. I attended a school that had a shooting that resulted in a death shortly before I got there. I didn't find out about it until after I was registered and I probably would have made a different choice had I known sooner. There wasn't another incident since, if fact the next incident in the same state was V-Tech.

The question is broad pertaining to students since theoretically, most juniors and seniors can legally carry handguns. Lets face it, all of us here enjoy our right to free speech so I cannot be hypocritical and deny the right of another.

I do however think that private campuses would serve themselves well to ban dangerous weapons on campus but public schools with open campuses will violate the constitutional rights of its students and faculty if they were to institute a ban. However I am all for banning dangerous weapons in buildings on public campuses. Outside of that, a ban will reduce future incidences but at the expense of violating a constitutional right.

[indicagrower]

hey now while were on it...i know for a fact there are highschool's that are more dangerous on a daily basis than a "possible rampage" ...So if the college kids get to carry, then the highschoolers should too right??.....Yes i know the highschooler's packin pistols is kinda rediculous....just as rediculous as college kids packin....

[angry nomad]

I used to be pretty anti Second Amendment... But, I thought about it for a long time. I thought of possible scenarios, and looked at history, and different news stories.


Student Group Wants Campus Gun Ban Lifted
By Christine Hall
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
September 17, 2002

(CNSNews.com) - After two armed southwest Virginia law students stopped a campus shooting rampage in January, a Second Amendment group at a northern Virginia law school decided it was time to change their own school's ban on guns.

[ here is the rest of the story: ]

Student Group Wants Campus Gun Ban Lifted -- 09/17/2002

Here is Adolf Hitler's racist gun ban from 1938:
"Jews are prohibited from acquiring, possessing, and carrying firearms and ammunition, as well as truncheons or stabbing weapons. Those now possessing weapons and ammunition are at once to turn them over to the local police authority.
Firearms and ammunition found in a Jewâ??s possession will be forfeited to the government without compensation. Whoever willfully or negligently violates the provisions...will be punished with imprisonment and a fine."
-- NAZI WEAPONS LAW OF 1938 (Regulations Against Jewsâ?? Possession of Weapons, 11 November 1938, German Minister of the Interior
Frick)
Nazi Weapons Law of November 11, 1938

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This is a new story of an armed law-abiding woman shooting a rapist:

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Arrest in East End sex assaults

Man shot Thursday morning identified by 6 female victims
Arrest in East End sex assaults

I am pro Second Amendment, but I also believe we need gun control.

If the populace is not armed, how are we going to defend ourselves against tyranny? History shows that free nations eventually devolve into tyranny. It's happening in the US right now, slowly. We have cops in riot gear and masks marching in phalanxes. These black costumes are created intentionally to intimidate the masses. In Miami, cops shot a protester, a middle aged woman with a rubber bullet for no reason twice, then laughed about it. I mean, they all laughed about it, and congratulated each other.

YouTube - Miami Police Shot Protester, then laugh about it.

I am not saying that the woman should've been armed, or shot the cops. What I am saying is that if the government takes all our guns away, they have free reign to do whatever the hell they want to us. And what are we going to do? Say, "Hey, you'll be hearing from my lawyer! I'll sue!"

Also when you take all the guns away from the people, the only people left with guns are criminals, the police, the military, and a few good citizens that would rather break the law and carry a gun to protect themselves. If organized criminals, the police, and the military have guns, and we don't, they have power over us.

Personal protection is a good reason. There is a logical case for the cliche scene: the husband with his arms up in the air saying, "take whatever you want. Just don't hurt my family." I agree with people that you might get shot if you drew a gun on the invader, but what if he was going to tie you up, and then kill you and your wife, but rape her first?

For example:
East Area Rapist/Original Night Stalker

On TV the nice silly burglars just take the TV, jewelry, and some chocolate cookies.

But, do you really think someone that just broke into your home while you were asleep and is pointing a gun at you is someone you can trust?

I agree that certain people should not be allowed to own guns. People that were convicted of violent crimes, are one. I do believe in waiting periods, and criminal background checks before being allowed to purchase. I do believe in required classes on how to properly store firearms and ammunitions safely, and all laws pertaining to them.

There are stories every year of armed citizens subduing killers, and defending themselves and their families against rapists with guns.

I know there some stories of accidental shootings, but we need to look at the statistics.

This is from the 2000 census of the US.

In 1996:

Accidents caused by:
Firearms, unspecified and other- 947
handguns - 187

Accidental falls- 14,986

Inhalation and ingestion of objects- 3,206

You are more likely to die from accidentally falling or choking than dying in a handgun accident.

Deaths and Death Rates from Accidents, by Type statistics - USA Census numbers

I have thought about owning a gun for a long time, and I have finally decided to get one. I believe every non-violent law-abiding American of voting age has the right to bear arms.

There is so much information and statistics on both sides of the debate, but it was the what if scenario I thought of...

What if a man or a few men broke into my house and wanted to steal my stuff? Would I rather have a gun or not? Doesn't matter as long as they don't hurt me or my wife.

But, what if the men wanted to rape my wife, and kill us? Would I rather have a gun or not? And how do I know what they want?

EDIT: I edited the news headline for emphasis.

[jessem98]

ill put it this way. IF every college student were to carry a gun, there would be A LOT more shootings just based on the fact that the crazy people without the guns now HAVE guns, haha. plus im sure there would be a ton of shootouts between people in an argument.

NO GUNS, ITS DUMB AS HELL IN MY OPINION.

[guitar_player882006]

Ok, first I wouldn't want every college student to carry a weapon. I would however like students that have received a ccw to be able to carry a weapon. These are people that have been been given permission by the state to carry their weapon. Also TallCoolOne, it's true that handguns were designed to kill. Though they just might kill the would be rapist, or the burglar that's breaking into your home, or the junkie on the street that's robbing you. You can't rely on the police to come to your aid all the time, you have to take your life into your own hands. Who's to say that my constitutional right should stop at my door step. That would be like saying well you have the right to free speech, as long as your inside your home. It's already been statistically proven that cities with looser gun laws have less crime, than cities that have strict gun laws. Just for an example look at England, once they enacted their gun ban violence sky rocketed. All the criminals knew that no one could defend themselves, so there was no risk attacking someone. Where as if you look at places like Kennesaw Georgia, you'll see that once they enacted a law requiring each home to have at least one firearm with ammunition. Their crime rate dropped 89%, and has stayed that low. Just like who in their right mind would consider commiting a crime at gun show, where you are surrounded with people that have guns. Well that's the end of my rant.....for now.

[qdavid]

What do you think about allowing college students to carry guns?

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[sam44]

a well armed populace is the best defense against tyranny

[Psycho4Bud]

Schools should be for scholars, not thugs. Increasing campus security would be a more effective solution then allowing ill trained people to walk around armed. And the liability a college would face should a "miss understanding" happen. Those who do not have police or military training should leave the guns at the door while in school.

A voice of reason! :thumbsup:

Have a good one!:s4:

[MrNiceGuy420]

i believe every us citizen who doesnt have a history of being violent, should be allowed to own, carry, and use a gun, anywhere in the united states where is not prohibited by the owner of that property. I think a school, airline, park, building, monument, etc should be allowed to decide if they want to allow or prohibit guns on thier property, instead of the government telling them "no you cant have a gun on a plane". People could ONLY use thier gun in self defense and hunting non-human animals that are not endangered, pets, etc. If they shoot someone, they will be charged with murder and will never be allowed to own a gun in the united states again. People might say this would increase murders, but say for some horrible reason you wanted to shoot someone, if you knew they were allowed to have a gun on them and use it if they were threatened by a gun they could use it in defense, wouldnt you be a little more hesitant?

[jakez]

No matter what there are always going to be criminals with guns. Why would we WANT a law taking our right to guns away?! There is no logical reason to disarm (or try to) ourselves, only an insane or evil driven person should think that.

Let's see, some people are smart and will arm themselves for safety, while others will be murdered/raped/robbed etc. and then cry that guns should be taken away because they do bad things! As if the person robbing them is going to hand their weapon over once the law is in?! Instead the people that were smart protecting themselves are now helpless... what is wrong with people?