US terror law 'unconstitutional'

[sam44]

it's not so much what they have done so far with these new powers that bothers me, it's what they are capable of doing. in case you have forgotten our government's capacity for injustice, allow me to give you two recent examples - the internment of japanese americans during ww2 and the witch hunts of senator mc carthy and his ilk not long afterward. both of these were considered reasonable responses to outside aggression and they both ended up destroying the lives of countless innocent americans. even without the excuse of war (cold or hot) this government has shown itself to be more than willing to use any means protect the status quo. the history books are filled with politicians who used the power of their office and the might of the us military to quash dissenting opinion where their ideological or economic concerns were involved. the incident in ohio (kent state) was nothing compared to the state sponsored violence used in their futile attempts to destroy the organized labor movements. the list of government run atrocities is long and sad and there is no reason to believe that the political animals in charge now have suddenly found any new respect for the rights of the average citizen.

why are your posts always so amazing? :thumbsup:

sam44 Reviewed by sam44 on 09-09-2007. US terror law 'unconstitutional' BBC NEWS | Americas | US terror law 'unconstitutional' I thought this was pretty interesting. The patriot act isn't understood that well, i tried reading it for a bit but its full of paragraphs that just reference other sources. Its scarey though a lot of the freedoms american's thought it was protecting from the middle east have just been lost because of the act itself. I guess just because a Judge said it was unconstitutional will mean it will get held up in courts for years but its Rating: 5

[sam44]

these people are so far over the edge its rediculous.

wow :wtf:

I checked out the Wikipedia entry on the Real ID act and your facts most apparently are wrong. It doesn't begin until December 2009 and does NOT require fingerprints, eye retnal scans, social security card, or RIDF chip. That's bullshit. The act simply requires all states share their DMV records with each other (which I believe to be a good thing) and requires drivers licenses to include a face, person's full name, address, signature, date of birth, sex, driver license number, which last I checked is rather standard fare for driver's license. It does require security measures to prevent "tampering, counterfeiting, or duplication" which also last I checked is pretty standard stuff. All these requirements perfectly describe my Florida license in its entirety.

Anyone can post information on Wikepeidia. To quote it as a definitive source is laughable.

[Oh My High]

wow :wtf:



Anyone can post information on Wikepeidia. To quote it as a definitive source is laughable.

True, Wikipedia is not the end-all-be-all of sources but they do cite sources which are open to peer review and my facts as stated do hold up to be true:

Real ID Act of 2005 : Driver's License Summary

[Psycho4Bud]

P4B, I don't know why you are so timid or afraid

LMAO!!! And who's crying about Big Brother "maybe" watching? I use my phone in the same manner and check out sites/books as I please........

Have a good one!:s4:

[Psycho4Bud]

Psycho4bud.. it must be hard defending Bush if you are reading about all the horrible shit he does. Maybe you are Psycho?

Your lil' jab will slide this one time.....

I don't see how a single American can think of Bush in any kind of positive way at this point.

I've been thinking of "Bush" in a positive way all weekend thank you very much!

As for Prez. Bush....he's a politician, what more can be said? Can you really state that so many others are any better? If so, who really needs a bit on insight into D.C.?

The "Patriot Act" passed Congress and Senate BEFORE being signed by Bush.....why should one branch be singled out regarding it?

Have a good one!:s4:

[jakez]

It is an entire class of people, I would never come close to thinking it is simply Bush himself..

On the Real ID Act, I think everyone should agree the entry in Wikipedia is correct, except certain information is missing. A 5 second search on google I found this article:

FAQ: How Real ID will affect you | CNET News.com
What's going to be stored on this ID card?
At a minimum: name, birth date, sex, ID number, a digital photograph, address, and a "common machine-readable technology" that Homeland Security will decide on. The card must also sport "physical security features designed to prevent tampering, counterfeiting, or duplication of the document for fraudulent purposes."

Homeland Security is permitted to add additional requirements--such as a fingerprint or retinal scan--on top of those. We won't know for a while what these additional requirements will be.

[psychocat]

In the UK we have the Anti terrorism laws and they are being abused as we speak.
You can be arrested for being in possesion of documents that could aid terrorism, this would include my school chemistry books or even a file downloaded from the net, one of them I have about the construction of various devices including how to make a microwave transmitter would also be "suspect".
I would ask everyone to watch The Power of Nightmares and read George Orwells classic 1984.
Those who support a DNA database should read this :
Tomorrow's fish and chip paper: DNA database: 1 in 8 records are incorrect; 1 in 7 are replicates

[medicinal]

lol can you imagine P4B and Bush sharing a doobie lmao

Yeah, Bush; "So P4B, how do you think the war is going"? P4B; "Well sir, I believe it's going just fine", "In fact I was thinking, How do you like this pot, I grew it myself"? Clamor, guards rushing in, Bush; " take this criminal away, the pot is terrible, I smoked Better shit in Texas when I was buggin out on those pesky guard meetings". P4B, "But sir you said it was allright to fire one up", Bush; "I was talkin about a nuke strike on Iran".

[Psycho4Bud]

Yeah, Bush; "So P4B, how do you think the war is going"? P4B; "Well sir, I believe it's going just fine", "In fact I was thinking, How do you like this pot, I grew it myself"? Clamor, guards rushing in, Bush; " take this criminal away, the pot is terrible, I smoked Better shit in Texas when I was buggin out on those pesky guard meetings". P4B, "But sir you said it was allright to fire one up", Bush; "I was talkin about a nuke strike on Iran".

I prefer this version....

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61O3yZtsvNw[/YOUTUBE]

Have a good one!:s4:

[medicinal]

Nah, mine is more realistic.