Noob's guide to growroom set-up : a work in progress

[want2beagrower]

hello guys , i have a quick question on electricty , if i were using a 1k electrict ballast with a cooltube thats cooled with a 6in muffin fan , an environmental controller with a cap 6in inline exhaust fan , a dehumidifier & 2 hearty air pumps for 4 dwc bubblers in 5 gal buckets in a 5 x 5 x7 room . just how many different electric circuits will i have to use ? the room has 2 electric outlets ( 4 plugs ) but can i run everything off the outlets or will i need 2 run them to other outlets in other rooms ? i hope not , cause i'm trying to be discret bout it & with all the cords runnin to the room would raise suspicion , but i don't want to burn my house down either !! lol not a good thing . any sugestions ? or is it safe to run everything on those 2 outlets ? thanx for any input :thumbsup: want2beagrower :jointsmile:

want2beagrower Reviewed by want2beagrower on 10-15-2008. Noob's guide to growroom set-up : a work in progress Ms Stinky has shamed me. :( Back when she first hung the â??complete noobs guide to growingâ?�, we talked about doing a â?? noob's guide to grow-room set-upâ?�. I never got around to it- then I saw her â?? garden type examples threadâ?�, and it guilted me into getting my ass in gear. So here we have ( at ) it- the â?? Komplete Noob's guide to setting up your first growroom.â?� I'm gonna start with some meta stuff- questions to ask yourself before you even start. After that, ( I think) Rating: 5

[sully2]

I am Pres Surrey Compassion Club, BC. We have a Farm and I am building Grow Rooms (walls only so far) in a shop 21 x 30 feet.
Need Help.

[supertiger]

this truly is great information. Thank you for taking the time to organize your thoughts and share them with us. :thumbsup:

[misslilly]

hello guys , i have a quick question on electricty , if i were using a 1k electrict ballast with a cooltube thats cooled with a 6in muffin fan , an environmental controller with a cap 6in inline exhaust fan , a dehumidifier & 2 hearty air pumps for 4 dwc bubblers in 5 gal buckets in a 5 x 5 x7 room . just how many different electric circuits will i have to use ? the room has 2 electric outlets ( 4 plugs ) but can i run everything off the outlets or will i need 2 run them to other outlets in other rooms ? i hope not , cause i'm trying to be discret bout it & with all the cords runnin to the room would raise suspicion , but i don't want to burn my house down either !! lol not a good thing . any sugestions ? or is it safe to run everything on those 2 outlets ? thanx for any input :thumbsup: want2beagrower :jointsmile:

I see it's been a while since you posted this but you need to find out how many amps the circuit is rated for and the total that your stuff will be using.

[Cyclonite]

If your still interested I think 2 15 amp circuits would be ok, see what the wire size and outlet ratings are and you might be able to swap out 15 for a 20amp

[spoiledcat805]

i know the main grow lights can kick the power bill a lot and raise red flags at PG&E, apartment having just under 1000 in electric bill or home with 1000+

so on this matter i have been talking to someone who does solar installation and this type of set up can power your grow room in a sense...

what is your take on this and do you feel its cost effective and worth it?

also have you heard or seen LED Grow lights and what is your take on those?

for the bigger set ups in homes i would think, if its cost effective, a solar set up with a high end light set up could be a way to go but thought i would ask you

also i have heard of someone making ventilation through the ground under the grow room (basement of a house with dirt floor) to circulate and cool the air as well as filter it. instead of sending out and bringing in air from outside its circulated underneath the ground, cooled, filtered, then piped in!

have you heard of something like this? thoughts on the idea?

if this is true and it works it could, for basement growers, cut out the problem of smell and exhaust outside that could get you caught

[blueflame]

alls i got to say is thank you very much kind sir. your thread was more extensive then anything i could possibly think to find. my first post and very appreciative of this site!!

[sccrocks]

Hey Man I feel riped off, where is the rest on room temps and other stuff, easy reading and not to complex for a first timer to learn, dont stop now.

[misslilly]

i know the main grow lights can kick the power bill a lot and raise red flags at PG&E, apartment having just under 1000 in electric bill or home with 1000+

so on this matter i have been talking to someone who does solar installation and this type of set up can power your grow room in a sense...

what is your take on this and do you feel its cost effective and worth it?

also have you heard or seen LED Grow lights and what is your take on those?

for the bigger set ups in homes i would think, if its cost effective, a solar set up with a high end light set up could be a way to go but thought i would ask you

also i have heard of someone making ventilation through the ground under the grow room (basement of a house with dirt floor) to circulate and cool the air as well as filter it. instead of sending out and bringing in air from outside its circulated underneath the ground, cooled, filtered, then piped in!

have you heard of something like this? thoughts on the idea?

if this is true and it works it could, for basement growers, cut out the problem of smell and exhaust outside that could get you caught

From my research the led's are not good enough yet. And circulating the same air might not be good. I would think they would like some fresh air. Would the plants produce enough co2 to make up for what they use? Unless you plan to add co2?

[candycolas]

OK- let's talk ventilation. The most important points here, IMHO-

-Nature abhors a vacuum- even a relative one ( or... pressures will tend to equalize)
-You're not moving air in, and you're not moving air out. You're moving air THROUGH.
-Questionable odors are probabley the #2 or #3 reason that folks get caught- ( Talking out of school would be #1).

The ventilation system is one of the most critical aspects of growroom design. I'm going to shy away from discussion of AC use for now- most personal gardens can get by without, and those that can't will generally be served by the climate control system of the dwelling. For now, we'll assume that that primary cooling/ dehumidification is going to be through exhaust.

The ventilation system, at it's simplest, consists of three elements- the intake, the exhaust, and the blower/fan. Choices here are about equivalently important. Let's start with fan sizing, which is tied to room size (in cubic feet) and choice of lamp.

For now, I'm going to assume that people are using a single main exhaust blower and a passive ( unpowered) intake. (Active intakes can be very effective, but great care must be taken to insure that intake CFM does not exceed exhaust CFM. In this case, you'll achieve a positive pressure condition in the growroom. This excess pressure WILL disperse in an uncontrollable manner, bringing with it delectable but dangerous aromas.( See above primary principles.) I would advise always trying to run at as close to nominal pressure as possible, with any variation from nominal being negative.)

Calculating cubic footage is simple- length x width x height = cubic volume. You want a main exhaust fan which can exchange the air in your room in no more than five minutes. I try to budget for three minutes. Let's comprimise at four minutes. Therefore, a 5x5 room with 8' ceilings would require a fan capable of [ 5(l) x 5(w) x 8(h)] = 200 cf. 200 cf / 4 (minutes)= 50 CFM for your fan. Doesn't sound like much, huh?

Now let's get into efficiency factor multipliers. ( This is where it all goes to hell).



Take your unloaded CFM requirement, and add 10 % for each foot of flexible ductwork that you are exhausting thru.( ie- you need to clear a 4x4x6 room thru 10' of ductwork. That's {96 CF /4 (minutes)}= 24 CFM + {(10'x10%)=100%} 24 CFM+100% (of 24 CFM)= 48 CFM. ( Exhaust loaded CFM)

Now take your (E.L.)CFM and multiply it by 1.5 for each 90 degree bend in your exhaust ductwork, cumulitively. ( Ie- you have a loaded CFM of 48 cfm that makes two 90' bends in it's ten foot length. That would be (48 x 1.5)x1.5- or 108 cfm loaded w/ bend factor.)

OK- CFM requirements are adding up pretty quick, and we haven't even talked about odor control. I personally think that carbon filters are the best method of odor control- but I figure that we'll get a healthy debate about this too. I like to put my carbon filter inside the room, near the ceiling. I like to set up the filter before the fan, so that air is sucked from the space, through the filter, through the fan, and then out of the space. This way, all air being pressurized by the fan has already been de-odorized. You can blow through the filter if you mount it after the fan, but be aware that between the fan and the filter there will be a zone of pressurized, stinky air- any leaks in your ductwork moving air from fan to filter will create potential smell issues. ( See primary principles above.)

Take your EL CFM ( including bend factor) and multiply by 1.3 to allow for intake restriction of the carbon filter. Don't forget to allow for ductwork between filter and fan!

So, if we're running a filter that's 3' away from the fan- our total duct length ( in the above example) is now 13'. Let's adjust our math.

We have a 4x4x6 room. Our total duct length is 13'. We're using a filter. Our math now looks like-

4x4x6 room= 96 CF. Divided by 4 minutes is 24 CFM required.
24 CFM + 130% ( 10%x13')= 55.2 CFM ( I'm gonna round to whole CFM, to try to minimize decimal over-runs)

(55CFMx1.5)x1.5= 124 CFM â?? to allow for our two 90 degree bends.

124 CFMx1.3 ( to allow for air velocity lost to the filter) = 161 CFM.

So we're looking at a 161 CFM fan.

But wait- we haven't even thought about how our light's going to effect this. We could go off into a discussion of determining system effeciency by measuring intake and exhaust temperatures so that we could calc differential temperatures, but I don't know how to make the little â?? deltaâ?� symbol on my laptop keyboard, so I'm gonna skip that and assign yet another load factor...

For a 250HPS- multiply by .75
For a 400- multiply by 1
For a 600, multiply by 1.3
For a K, multiply by 1.6.

(Let's be reasonable here- I know that my math falls apart if you're running a K in a 4x4x6 space â?? but is it reasonable to run a K in that space at all? In your very first room?)

So to put a 600 in that room, we'll take our base adjusted CFM and multiply by 1.3 .
161 CFM x 1.3 (lamp factor)= 209 CFM fan/blower to power the ventilation system.

I'm not going to blow out the math to establish what room intake sizes should be to prevent drag on the system- that get's WAY crazy... Instead, I'm going to propose that we use a rule of thumb stating that â?? Intake area should be fan CFM x .5 square inchesâ?�

Applying this rule, our 209 CFM fan would require an intake area of about 100 sq. inches- or 10â?� x10â?�. This does'nt have to be monolithic- two 50 sqâ?� intakes will work as well as one 100 sq â?? intake. You can check your intake sizing by just cracking open the door to the room and firing the fan- if the door moves at all, you need more intake.

When shopping for fans, round up- if you need a 209, and your choices are 180 or 240, grab the 240.

OK- gonna break here again and see where folks have pointed out my mistakes.

Okay so I'm new to all this and I'll be building an 896 cubic grow room. I've been seeing varying information from different websites and forums. Some say you need to calculate for 3 - 4 evacs per minute and others say to evac once every 5 minutes. I found one forum that says if you're only trying to refresh co2, then once every 5 minutes or less is the goal and if your trying to eliminate heat as well, then 3-4 times a minute is the correct figure. You've added a whole new dimension to my confusion so what are your thoughts on this? These fan/can combos aren't cheap and if I need to go and get over 2000CFM, I'm going bankrupt before I'm even out of the gate! I thought of going to a UV ozone generator that is set up in a "buffer" box before I exhaust to the outside. Maybe the garage or attic, then out the water heater/furnace stack? I can get these o3 generators for $150 a piece and people swear by them. I've heard one is enough for an op twice my size. How to you feel about ozone as long as I keep it off my plants?