Quote Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey
So P4B are saying the current administration is justified in throwing certain aspects of the constitution to the wind when circumstances change? Constitutional amendments are at times necessary, but shit like the patriot act goes one step further and completley disregards the principles on which your country was founded.
The Founding Fathers of American Intelligence
by P.K. Rose



George Washington was theobvious choice for acquisition of foreign intelligence. The Father of our Country was an adroit spymaster. Over the course of his long military career, he directed numerous agent networks, provided comprehensive guidance in intelligence tradecraft to his agents, and used their intelligence effectively when planning and conducting military operations.


John Jay--who later became Chief Justice of the United States--is consideredthe FoundingFather of American counterintelligence. Jay is seldom cited for his achievements in this arena; his historical reputation stems largely from his political and judicial accomplishments. But he clearly deserved to be considered the first national-level American counterintelligence chief.


Benjamin Franklin was the American icon after whom the remaining room was named. His efforts in what is known today as covert action were wide-ranging and usually successful. During the Revolutionary War period, Franklin engaged in propaganda operations and agent-of-influence activities and directed paramilitary operations against British property.
https://www.cia.gov/library/center-f...nce/art-1.html

Many, many more articles, etc...on spying during the Revolutionary War on our "citizens".


Quote Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey
This administration is spying on its own people without warrants, arresting without warrants, holding prisoners without charge, and now declaring any enemy a terrorist organization whether it be actual terrorists, or just a legal national army.
Are you making an international call to a man called Afshine in Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan? If not, don't worry about the wire taps. If so, Why???

Club Gitmo.....since when did non-citizens obtain the same rights as us? To bad that the enemy doesn't abide by the same rules.

Ahhh, Irans revolutionary gaurd.....the same that trains people such as Hezbollah and insurgents in Iraq. They ARE a terrorist group in not only our eyes but other nations in the world.

Quote Originally Posted by Gandalf_The_Grey
Sorry man, while I respect you as a decent and intelligent person, wake up!
Sorry my friend....I believe that it is you with the sleep in your eyes.

Have a good one!:s4: