Diary:02/09/07: 8 Pots of Plants

[home.grower]

Greetings One and All & Thank You For Visiting This Thread

02/09/07 marks the day that I commence yet another Garden Diary. This time I am working in a smaller space approximately 5' x 8' in measure, which is actually a custom partition in a small bedroom.

The room has been implemented from scratch. A 4" x 2" timber frame was cut to fit, MDF panels were cut to fit, and a custom sliding door was installed due to space issues.

The Garden has 2 x 160mm unfiltered air inlets from outside. The windows have been boarded off, as have any wall vents. The Garden is half lined with dimpled-mylar.

The hardware installed is listed bellow in a random order:

ONE 6" Dual CoolTube / TWO 600W HPS HID Bulb / TWO 600W Ballast / ONE 6 Way Contactor Timer / 6m 5" Bare Aluminium Ducting / 5m 6" Bare Aluminium Ducting / FOUR 5" Jubilee Clips / ONE 5" Duct Fast Clamp / TWO 150-125mm Reducing Rings / 8m Dimple Mylar / ONE Growth Technology pH Meter / ONE Trunceon / TWO Pairs Light Hangars / ONE 5" Spigot Plate / TWO Grasslin Mechanical Timers / ONE Sphere AirStone / ONE Mouse Dual Outlet AirPump / ONE Multi 1300 Water Pump / ONE Rose & Extension / ONE 6"" Carbon Filter / ONE TD-500 150mm Inline Extractor / ONE TD-160 100mm Inline Intake / ONE Cheap Heater / ONE Fan Speed Controller / ONE Small Oscillating Fan / ONE Propagator / ONE HygroMeter / ONE Storage Unit for Nutes / TWO Square Trays for Pots / EIGHT 15L Pots / TEN 1/2L Pots / ONE Portion of Black-White Sheeting / ONE Measuring Jug / ONE Syringe / ONE 2.5mL Pipette / ONE 5L Pump & Spray / ONE Portion of Heavy Duty Floor Covering / and I think that's most of the essential hardware that will make this Garden fully functional.

For plant nutrition I have chosen to continue using products from the Advanced Nutrients range:

1L Mother Earth Bloom / 1L Mother Earth Grow / 4L Sensi Bloom A / 4L Sensi Bloom B / 1L Sensi Grow A / 1L Sensi Grow B / 1L Big Bud / 1L OverDrive / 1L Barricade / 1L Fulvic F1 / 4L Fulvic F1 / 4L Humic H2 / 1L CarboLoad / THREE 250mL pH Down / 50L Plagron / TWO 50L B'Cuzz Special Mix (Gold Bag) / 50L Clay / 1L Wipe Out Garden Cleaner / 1L VooDoo Juice / 250mL Gnat Off / 50mL Pest Off / THREE Spidermite Control / ONE 250mL Special Insecticide / ONE Bug Bomb / THREE Sticky Fly Traps...

At some time I anticipate using everything in the above list.

Because the Garden is relatively small, and I do not have an adequate wide angle lens on my camera, the photos of the Garden are a bit 'pants' to say the least.

home.grower Reviewed by home.grower on 09-02-2007. Diary:02/09/07: 8 Pots of Plants Greetings One and All & Thank You For Visiting This Thread 02/09/07 marks the day that I commence yet another Garden Diary. This time I am working in a smaller space approximately 5' x 8' in measure, which is actually a custom partition in a small bedroom. The room has been implemented from scratch. A 4" x 2" timber frame was cut to fit, MDF panels were cut to fit, and a custom sliding door was installed due to space issues. The Garden has 2 x 160mm unfiltered air inlets from outside. Rating: 5

[home.grower]

I gave someone some clone 4 or 5 months ago, and to my suprise they have ben vegging them ever since. The report is that they are 'massive'... That individual must have ample space, as they inform me that they have also developed their own genetic. I will try it some day....

So this person as able to supply me with 3rd generation clones, which if I recall might have consisted of G13, Chronic and possibly Cheese. I'm once again going blind with regard to strains.

I asked for 8 and got 20 odd!!! Good goin!! They are in my propagator presently as not even half are rooted.... when they arrived I already knew they hadn't rooted, but I didn't mind taking them and getting the rooting experience myself.

On day one in the propagator only 4 had subtle signs of roots showing through the rock wool. But 5 days on with a couple of blasts of Advanced Nutrients' VooDoo Juice through a trigger sprayer and 8 now have prominent signs of root formation. I'm hoping that the next 5-7 days will offer more rooted clones for my final selection.

I plan to veg a few of these extras in another room to provide me with my second batch of clones, but that is another plan.

when the clones arrived they were very yellow and looked to be lacking. I hope the stress hasn't messed with them too much. They seem to be getting their color back gradually. I have taken a pic of the tiny clones, I'm not sure if the supplier knows exactly what he's trying to achieve when cloning, but I'm taking the chance at trying to revitalize these lil ladies.

[KHAN]

Nice m8, those clones leaves look very wet isn't the light burning them? The yellowing of the leaves looks like it may be a case of too much nutes?

Nice grow-room, though I might be a bit worried having those 2 power supplies in the actual grow-room, dont they get super-hot under those lights as well?

Good luck!

[home.grower]

Nice m8, those clones leaves look very wet isn't the light burning them? The yellowing of the leaves looks like it may be a case of too much nutes?

Nice grow-room, though I might be a bit worried having those 2 power supplies in the actual grow-room, dont they get super-hot under those lights as well?

Good luck!

Orite KHAN

Thanks for dropping by. Yes the clones are very wet. I am under the impression that the humidity needs to be kept up while they are taking root. The light they are under is only about 25W from an energy saving bulb. The bulb isn't of the right spectrum in all honesty. I'm just using it to try and get them rooted then I'll either introduce them to 250W of MH or 600W of HPS. I don't think they are getting heat damage from the light.

As for the yellowing. I don't think the clones are experiencing nutrient shutdown as the supplier told me that he hasn't fed them anything. I think that if anything the clones are lacking from deprivation and not over indulgence.

I've always kept the control gear in the same room as the Gro-Op. With adequate air extraction, the heat from 2 ballast shouldn't really become and issue. Other Gardens have seen six 600W ballasts on the floor which didn't cause a heat problem, while other Gardens have five 600W ballast shelved at ceiling height. Two 600W ballasts shelved at head height, I'm hoping will be fine. The light may not need to be retracted to head height, thereby allowing the ballast to always be within the shadow of the lighting.

Thanks for checking this thread, and I hope you continue to visit and leave comments.

[PharmaCan]

Home.Grower - It is common to deprive the mother plant of any nutrients for one week before cutting clones. This puts the plant into a nitrogen deficiency which promotes faster root growth in the clones. While the cutting has to no roots, and therefore no means of nutrient uptake, it is senseless to feed it via the rockwool. Foliar feeding is counterproductive at this point because you want to force the plant to grow roots so that it can eat. If you are foliar feeding it won't be as hungry so won't root as fast. Meanwhile, the cutting neads nutrition from somewhere so it is "eating" its leaves.

If those were my clones, I would trim the leaves and cut of all the brown parts and a lot of the yellow parts. For trimming the yellow, you mainly are just trying to cut down on unneeded weight that the cutting must support - and your cuttings look nicer and healthier so it does some good things as far as your attitude is concerned too.

Nice looking growroom!!!! :thumbsup:

PC :smokin:

[home.grower]

Home.Grower - It is common to deprive the mother plant of any nutrients for one week before cutting clones. This puts the plant into a nitrogen deficiency which promotes faster root growth in the clones. While the cutting has to no roots, and therefore no means of nutrient uptake, it is senseless to feed it via the rockwool. Foliar feeding is counterproductive at this point because you want to force the plant to grow roots so that it can eat. If you are foliar feeding it won't be as hungry so won't root as fast. Meanwhile, the cutting neads nutrition from somewhere so it is "eating" its leaves.

If those were my clones, I would trim the leaves and cut of all the brown parts and a lot of the yellow parts. For trimming the yellow, you mainly are just trying to cut down on unneeded weight that the cutting must support - and your cuttings look nicer and healthier so it does some good things as far as your attitude is concerned too.

Nice looking growroom!!!! :thumbsup:

PC :smokin:

Hello PharmaCan and thanks for commenting here. I appreciate you shared knowledge with regard to starving mother plants. I'm not sure if this is what my supplier intended. But I shall assume it is as the clones were very much lacking.

I have been foliar feeding with Voodoo Juice. It doesn't actually prescribe the user to foliar spray the product onto the plants. Instead I shall apply this only to the cubes. But it neither is a rooting hormone like Hygrozyme. I think I'll stop using voodoo juice and apply a mild dose of hygrozyme to the cubes over the coming day or two.

I have also trimmed most of the leaves back as you've suggested.

thanks for commenting here and I hope you stay tuned in to assist where I might be going wrong.

[KHAN]

I just grew a bunch of clones myself, I didn't use any nutrients for 2 weeks just ph'd water, I sprayed them with water only when I turned the lights off for the 6 hours of dark period, and even then i only sprayed them for a week to stop them drying out.

After 2 weeks they had descent roots so I gave them a 10% coco feed every 3 days and have moved them into small pots.

As posted above it maybe best to simply cut off the yellow parts of the leaves, and dont bother spraying them with water, they will get all the moisture they need from the rockwool blocks.

[PharmaCan]

Khan - Until they have roots, the clones have no way to take anything from the rockwool, so trying to feed via the rockwool is useless until the cutting has roots.

As you have discovered, it's kind of a balancing act. You want to mist the cuttings enough to keep them alive, while still encouraging root growth.

Home.grower - I use Clonex both for misting and for moistening the rapid rooters/rockwool. I've never used Hygrozyme but I guess it's a similar product and will work the same. My personal opinion is to stay away from any nutes until the plants have a decent root system. ...but I only make about 100 clones per week so I guess you should take that with a grain of salt.

PC :smokin:

[BUZz UK]

I don't use anything but water for my clones and have had a 100% success rate. You don't really wanna risk burning them with nutes...

[KHAN]

Actually soaking the rockwool and not the leaves in a propergator causes humidity and takes away the need for soaking of the leaves, Taking away the risk of light magnifying on the water and burning your plants. 50 clones with no losses here...