"We Muslims Living in America are getting sick of this crap

[Delta9]

yea we'll not a single muslim on this planet would even turn their head if I was lying bleeding to death in the street.

[F L E S H]

I do hold the key! Didn't you know? So, you act as if you hold the key, and I act as if I do. Now what? Who does hold that key man? Is it you, or is it me? Maybe it's neither one? The evidence is all over that proves islam is violent. Why do you ignore it? You want me to change your mind for you. I say change it yourself.

Toker

Prove it to me. Right now. No more talk, I wanna see the evidence!

[Libertarian Toker]

Prove it to me. Right now. No more talk, I wanna see the evidence!

Your kind of demanding ain't ya? What, are you unable to find opposing facts and opinions on your own? I guess you must be. Start your search in the Sudan. See if you can figure out whats been going on there for a long time. We can move on to other things like islams treatment of woman, slaves, and other such things when your done in the Sudan. Try to keep in mind that we are not comparing islams violence to christian violence, only that islam is violent. Just because others have done it does not excuse the violence. If your going to close your eyes and not look for yourself, then you will never see anything for yourself. You will only see what others show you. That seems to be what you want. Let's talk some about that Van gogh guy in Amsterdam. The people that targeted him did it for what reason? Because of what he said about their religion! I'm sure you will say that was just the act of one person, but it wasn't. He was connected to a lot of other people bent on violence. Guess what the connection is? There is a lot of organized violence by muslims, and it seems to start in the church. Islam produces violence. Over all the years it has been around, violence has been it's way. BTW, since your going to be so demanding of me, then I feel I should make a demand of my own. Prove to me right now that islam is not a violent religion? Right now, show me what makes it so you think islam is so peacefull and non-violent. Without talking, prove your peacefull religion really is peacefull! I wanna see your evidence. You have complained that I do not give evidence, where is your evidence?

Toker

[Herbaholic00]

Talking about Sudan................... http://www.gnn.tv/articles/article.php?id=1093



Peace

[juggalo420]

Your kind of demanding ain't ya? What, are you unable to find opposing facts and opinions on your own? I guess you must be. Start your search in the Sudan. See if you can figure out whats been going on there for a long time. We can move on to other things like islams treatment of woman, slaves, and other such things when your done in the Sudan. Try to keep in mind that we are not comparing islams violence to christian violence, only that islam is violent. Just because others have done it does not excuse the violence. If your going to close your eyes and not look for yourself, then you will never see anything for yourself. You will only see what others show you. That seems to be what you want. Let's talk some about that Van gogh guy in Amsterdam. The people that targeted him did it for what reason? Because of what he said about their religion! I'm sure you will say that was just the act of one person, but it wasn't. He was connected to a lot of other people bent on violence. Guess what the connection is? There is a lot of organized violence by muslims, and it seems to start in the church. Islam produces violence. Over all the years it has been around, violence has been it's way. BTW, since your going to be so demanding of me, then I feel I should make a demand of my own. Prove to me right now that islam is not a violent religion? Right now, show me what makes it so you think islam is so peacefull and non-violent. Without talking, prove your peacefull religion really is peacefull! I wanna see your evidence. You have complained that I do not give evidence, where is your evidence?

Toker

your fucking ignorant, how can you label a whole group of people evil cause the actions of a few.

the koran has no more violence in it than the old testament, death was the punishment for almost everything in leviticus.

who started the crusades, the holocaust, okc bombing, the inquisision, salem witch trials. christians did, so is it fair for me to label all christians as violent.

[F L E S H]

who started the crusades, the holocaust, okc bombing, the inquisision, salem witch trials. christians did, so is it fair for me to label all christians as violent.

LT said he didn't want comparisons of how Christianity is also violent, I guess because it weakens his arguments, right?

Start your search in the Sudan. See if you can figure out whats been going on there for a long time.

What I see in the Sudan is a civil war which uses Islam as an excuse.

There is a lot of organized violence by muslims, and it seems to start in the church. Islam produces violence

That is the faultiest logic I have seen in a long time. Have you noticed which countries are the ones that harbour terrorist organizations and are generally 'anti-American'? Do you know anything about the history of the Middle-East? Fact is, this kind of violence did not start until the British and the French decided to set up colonies and create states that didn't exist before, like Syria, Iraq, Palestine, Jordan, Lebanon, etc. Of course, today they have 'independence', but they aren't really independent at all, and the damage done by colonialism and imperialism will take years to heal. These people are oppressed, both by their own governments and the American government.

Did you know that before the age of Empires in the 18th-19th centuries, Middle-Eastern society was quite tolerant of other people practicing their religion, including Christianity and Judaeism? There were no suicide bombings, no killings, nothing of that sort.

How can you label an entire religion as being violent when throughout its 1,400-year history it has been one of the most tolerant out there? The events of the second half of the 20th century do not change the fact the Islam is NOT violent, but terrorists will use it as a means to co-opt other people to make them believe that their struggle is sanctioned by Allah.

That is my argument. I still don't know what yours is, besides "I say so."

[Libertarian Toker]

"how can you label a whole group of people evil cause the actions of a few"

I'm not doing that. I am labeling the religion as starting the violence in the people. The people would not be as violent without the religion. Same with christians I would imagine.

"the koran has no more violence in it than the old testament"

Well that's quite a bit, is it not? So by comparing them your saying that the koran does contain violence?

"so is it fair for me to label all christians as violent"

Not really, but it is ok to say that christianity produces violence in humans. Religion in general causes violence. Islam is not the peace as is claimed it is. It is terror, hate, deception and yes, violence!

Toker

[Libertarian Toker]

"That is my argument. I still don't know what yours is, besides "I say so"

That's it? That is all your argument has? No wonder you think islam is not violent. You had better find out a little more, you seem to be lacking in the info department when it comes to islam. You have no evidence at all, and it looks as if you to are relying on the "I told you so" tactic your blaiming me for. You have not convinced me that islam is not violent with your arguement.

Toker

[F L E S H]

Goddamn it, Islam is NOT violence! Don't you understand the concpet of using something to get people to support you? Terrorism has NOTHING to do with Islam, except superficially. It's an excuse, a scapegoat, a way to get more people to join their cause. It's the oldest trick int he book, and everybody's done it at one time or another in history.

[F L E S H]

You know what, you have absolutely no concept of history and cause and effect. If you can't understand the concept of using religion as a rallying cry, as a means to an end, if you can't see beyond the surface of world events, then I'm sad for you, because you will never be able to understand what's REALLY going on anywhere.

Nothing is what it seems to be on the surface, absolutely nothing. You insist on using the logic of a 5-year-old "terrorists are muslims therefore all muslims are violent."