"We Muslims Living in America are getting sick of this crap

[F L E S H]

It's not about left vs right, democrat vs republican, and it never was.

This is the time to begin worrying about the future, about REAL freedom, freedom of thought, expression and decision. What is most troublesome is the complete and utter disconnect between what the government tells us and what is actually happening. Their rhetoric is all about freedom, liberation, salvation, but they don't give a fuck about that, they care about the big dollar.

Remember how everyone was complaining about rising gas prices? We all assumed it was because of the war and what not. Well, this week Imperial Oil released their financial statements, and reported RECORD PROFITS! There's your liberation, my good Americans.

[pisshead]

yeah, it's not so much about the dollar as it about control and power. these people print the worthless money they buy up the planet with. controlling the oil isn't about letting more of it get to us so we get less prices, it's about controlling it and then jacking up the prices.

i was watching some of the inauguration and when bush came out, there was this weird orweillian voice on a loudspeaker saying shit like "wave to your leader, he loves america. cheer for him and show him that you love america too..."

it was really fucking creepy.

aldoux huxley's, author of brave new world, brother was the first head of unesco. he gave speeches before his death of laboratories with people hooked up with wires to computers and a lot of other weird stuff. you can hear the speech, it's online. it gets very strange.

[Libertarian Toker]

[QUOTE=pisshead]many a time we've 'argued' on the other politics board here. it mainly consists of him saying no one can know anything for sure, i'm wrong, everything i say is bullshit, blah blah blah...history doesn't even matter, even when it's repeating to a T, yadda yadda yadda...no facts or information. he has no discernment and doesn't know how to "read" news, even mainstream, which doesn't lie all the time, they spin.QUOTE]

And many a time I showed you for the lier you are. I have also given you the evidence you asked for. All you ever do is ignore it, or act as if it is dissinformation or some such thing. If AJ didn't plant the thoughts in your head, you wouldn't have them. Your the most brainwashed person I havet meet yet PH. Step back and look at what it is your doing. You might see that your being led around on a leash if ya actualy open your eyes to try and see.

Toker

[pisshead]

ahhh, the old alex jones created all of this...it's getting old. and you know it's not true. i'm looking at about a hundred books on my mantle, 1 of them is written by alex jones. most of them were written before he was born.

but you might think about calling his show. if he's truly the fraud you think he is, give him a call, discuss something, prove his listeners that he's all wrong...how about 911? i'll be listening. think about it, you could change so much. millions of people listen to the show...think of all the good your non-propaganda information could provide...

i didn't even bring him up. you're the one who always brings him up. unless you're trying to say that alex jones created the library of congress and the congressional record and the cfr rag foreign affairs and executive orders and upi and reuters and the ap...and hundreds of papers around the country and world??

he's created a parallel internet where he wrote everything so he could make it all up and then sell stuff? is that it?

[GHoSToKeR]

your a ignorant selfish ass
you wouldnt support anything that may risk your precious lil ass

I support what I believe in. I dont believe in war. Its that simple. I 'support' the use and legalisation of Cannabis, and its got me put in jail. Just because I dont like war, doesnt mean I dont support anything. You just want everybody to be blood-thirsty and war-loving like yourself. Sorry mate, no can do.

you wouldnt be able to say a dam thing about a dam thing if not for those that serve the nation

What the fuck is that supposed to mean? Thats complete bullshit. In fact, I think the correct term would be 'brainwashed bullshit'

you want iraq better
get your ass over there and fix it

I didnt say I want Iraq better. I only said that American troops are just as bad as anybody else who takes a human life for a 'cause'. Human life is human life.. Killing somebody is killing somebody. It shouldnt be done, for any reason. You know the German people thought they were doing the 'right' thing when they supported the genecide of all Jewish people? They would have said exactly what youre saying if I had said the same thing to them. Wake up and smell the bullshit, or are you too ignorant to see it? And would you even admit it if you did?

oh thats right you probly go to college on some grant money
or gotta go ask mommy if its ok,

Fuck you. I work and pay taxes like everybody else. You know why im working? Im saving to go to college in September so I dont have to get a grant or borrow money. Anyway, I dont have to explain my situation to you.

nobody celebrates no people getting blew up with no beer and gun shooting in the air, thats racist shit agianst southerners but i guess since you dont say nigger and spik and camel jockey its cool

Racist? Thats not the first time youve unjustly called me racist. Maybe I was stereotyping, but i'm definately not racist. And trust me, i'm sure there are a ton of people that celebrate Iraqis or Americans being killed. There are some sick people in the world. But I guess, when you celebrate your troops victory, youre celebrating the death of other people. So why are you any different?

well its not ,your the fucking reason this nation can be so bad people like you who expect others to die for your rights to be a big mouth

Sorry, bud. I live in a different country. And I dont expect anybody to die for anybody. I dont want anybody to die for anybody (can you say the same? I doubt it) but theres not much I can do to stop the government from sending people to their deaths.

yehaaw suck a turd ya punk
ya pissing me the fuck off

Good. Maybe if enough people piss you off for the same reason, you might actually stop and THINK about something for a change.

sissy ass wouldnt fight for anything
you would let ya grany get raped and say oh,,,,,its ok granny he didnt mean it he just sick and well we gotta except it

Who the fuck are you to say that kind of shit to anybody? You fucking prick.

grow a set of balls when you ever get a soul

I have balls, and I dont believe in souls. So what exactly the fuck are you talking about

you pompus ass ,your so much better than me and anyone here
used to think you was just dum ass kid
now i can see your a racist towards all americans especially non city dwellers

fuk it tellin ya this is a wiaste

Again, im not racist. And yes, this is a waste.

[GHoSToKeR]

Need I remind you of what started this thread? You guys attacked Torog because he thinks different then you do. Nice try at turning it around, but I ain't buying it.

Toker

Dude, LT, this is futile. My first post in this thread was "LT, why are you sticking up for Torog's blatant racism/prejudism/whatever-the-fuck-you-wanna-call-it?".

I wasnt attacking Torog, I was merely shocked at what he said. Torogs cool, and so are you (from what I can tell). Im not attacking anybody, except maybe Nowhereman, but thats a different story. Debating stuff is the best way to learn, or at least the best way to strengthen your arguements.

[Libertarian Toker]

"Debating stuff is the best way to learn, or at least the best way to strengthen your arguements."

I agree! You will get no arguement from me on that one. Wait, does that mean we won't learn anything from this? No really though, you won't learn much from agreement. Now a good heated arguement, that is another story. That is as long as it isn't just an insult fest. I find a lot of the time people don't realize that they are doing the same things they claim to be against when trying to win an arguement. They tend to say and do things just to try and win, the truth be damned. Who really cares if you win or not anyway? The main thing should be finding the truth about the issue at hand. If people distort that issue and it's facts to promote an idear, and exagerate everything about it out of proportion, then what good has come of it? If attacking that which is different, while claiming not to like people being attacked for thinking different happens, then what does that make the attacker? Sometimes, even though it is hard to do, you have to let go and look at things from a differnet view no matter where your standing on the political field. Left, right or in the middle, if your only looking at one side, that is all you will see. Same is true for most all issues.

Toker

[F L E S H]

"Debating stuff is the best way to learn, or at least the best way to strengthen your arguements."

I agree! You will get no arguement from me on that one. Wait, does that mean we won't learn anything from this? No really though, you won't learn much from agreement. Now a good heated arguement, that is another story. That is as long as it isn't just an insult fest. I find a lot of the time people don't realize that they are doing the same things they claim to be against when trying to win an arguement. They tend to say and do things just to try and win, the truth be damned. Who really cares if you win or not anyway? The main thing should be finding the truth about the issue at hand. If people distort that issue and it's facts to promote an idear, and exagerate everything about it out of proportion, then what good has come of it? If attacking that which is different, while claiming not to like people being attacked for thinking different happens, then what does that make the attacker? Sometimes, even though it is hard to do, you have to let go and look at things from a differnet view no matter where your standing on the political field. Left, right or in the middle, if your only looking at one side, that is all you will see. Same is true for most all issues.

Toker

Do as I preach, not as I do........

[Libertarian Toker]

Awwww, you poor thing, reduced to mindless chatter. It must be a drag for you to feel your arguement is so bad that you feel the need to run off with your tail between your legs. I see your still barking as you run though. Maybe this time you will finally do what you have been promising to do. Or maybe you can stick around and try some more one liners to boost your ego with.

Toker

[GHoSToKeR]

"The little boat gently drifted across the pond exactly the way a bowling ball wouldn't."(Russell Beland, Springfield)

Thats my favourite one-liner.

Forgive me, for I am stoned.