"We Muslims Living in America are getting sick of this crap

[juggalo420]

LT- if you think the koran is violent in nature, i suggest you actually read it, and not just nod your head to wat the 700club says about it. i read it, no where it does it sanction the killing of innocent people, they are only suppose to use violence as a last resort, as in war and in some instinces of breaking the law. of course theres different interpretations of it, theres a distorted violent one used by terrorists, and one used by the rest of the worlds 1 billion musslims. do you think 1 billion people are out to get you?
also before you start pointing fingers i suggest you re-read your bible, the old testament is littered with passages of god ordering the genocide of complete nations, death was used for a wide variety of crimes, in the book of revalations in the new testament jesus and the saints appear to be a bunch of sadists getting pleasure from other peoples torments in hell.

[Libertarian Toker]

"I know I said this before, but I'm outta here for real this time, as intelligent as you might be, you still argue like a 5 year old"

Running away so soon? Awww, don't go man, your arguement ain't so bad that you need to run off just yet. I guess your saying is "if you can't beat em, run away".

"I'm sorry, but I have to say this. You goddamn idiot"

Beaking point! Cool! So now your down to name calling are ya? Who was it that was acting as a 5 year old again? Oh ya, me! LOL! Your hypocray is amazing. Everything you want from me your unwilling to do yourself, and most every label you try to pin on me is exactly what your doing yourself.

"You are so goddamn arrogant, you impersonate what people dislike about Americans."

Ahhhhh, the truth comes out again. As with a lot of people, your envy of the US is causing you to feel inferior, and that in turn is causing the anger and need you seem to have to bash the US, that we see here today.

"find me a single book written by a scholar for academia that don't say the same thing I do about the Crusades. I dare you."

Why the rules? Why does it have to be from "a scholar for academia"? A single book? But what if I formed my opinion by reading a lot of stuff, from a lot of sources, over a long piriod of time? I have a better idear, why don't you show me a few books that do say what you have claimed. It should be an easy thing for you to do since all academic's that have wrote books on the subjet think the same as you do. If your the adult your claiming to be while stomping off in a hissy fit, you will do what it is you want me to do first. You know, lead by example. Of course if your still having a hissy fit, you won't even reply I will be forced to leave it at that. BTW, if your really through this time, why did you ask me questions?

"You think you are so superior"

Have a look at yourself man, your trying despretely to prove your better then me.

"You are so goddamn arrogant, that only you have the philosophical right to start a war, that you have the only valid reason to invade other countries."

Where did that come from? If you say stuff about me that I know is untrue, what is it your doing? Do you really think you know what I think? Why would you say that I think something like that? What evidence do you have that would cause you to say that I think the US is the only one with a right to start wars? If you have to resort to this type of thing to feel superior, then it is as I said before, you do it because you feel inferior.

"Five years of studying History at a major Canadian institution."

Well there ya go! Five years of brainwashing. I like the way you call it what it truely is. It's an institution alright. Did you ever stop and wonder if it might be you that has had his mind controled?

"I don't care what you studied, cause apparently it didn't do much."

Well, ok then! I guess you win the "I studied more then you did" thing by default, as you have already made up your mind without evidence of anything to back up your opinion. You do that quite a bit. It makes me wonder if your able to draw any conclusions on your own that are actually correct.

"Are you a lawyer?"

Antique/junk dealer.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

http://www.themodernreligion.com/wom...4-shafaat.html

Really man, if ya can't find your own "evidence" out there from both sides of the issue, then your just plain not looking for it. Find out for yourself man, don't continue to let others "change" your mind. Change it for yourself.

Toker

[Libertarian Toker]

Wow. You guys sure get pissed off when somebody else has a different opinion.

Need I remind you of what started this thread? You guys attacked Torog because he thinks different then you do. Nice try at turning it around, but I ain't buying it.

Toker

[Libertarian Toker]

"also before you start pointing fingers i suggest you re-read your bible"

I suggest you re-read this thread before you spout your pre programed BS. It is not my bible, and your own words say what I have been saying the whole time. Islam creates violence. I guess for you every last muslim has to be violent in order to say that islam is violent. It's an all or nothing world out there ain't it?

Toker

[NowhereMan]

Wow. You guys sure get pissed off when somebody else has a different opinion.

Maybe Iraq is in need of a change. But why the fuck should your corrupt ass be the one to change it? America is in need of a change, too. Hell, the whole world is in need of a fucking change.

"i dont see where you support them"

You're right. There is no way in hell you will EVER find me supporting a war, or supporting troops. NEVER. I find it sickening that ANYBODY can support troops. Theyre people that get paid to kill other people over little bits of land. And theyre supposed to be heroes? Im supposed to look up to them? BULLSHIT! fuck that, and fuck all this nationalism bullshit that you so proudly display, but under the name of 'patriosm'. I'll tell you something for free. Patriosm is just another tactic dreamt up by the government to control people, to make us do what they want. If youre stupid enough to believe in all this patriosm bullshit, then youre probably the type of person that would be sitting in front of your TV, with a beer in one hand, shooting your gun in to the air with the other, and screaming 'Yeeehaaaaw' every time you hear of another apartment block full of Iraqi men, women and children being blown up.

Oh, and thanks herbolic.. at least one person agrees with me lol

your a ignorant selfish ass
you wouldnt support anything that may risk your precious lil ass
you wouldnt be able to say a dam thing about a dam thing if not for those that serve the nation
you want iraq better
get your ass over there and fix it



oh thats right you probly go to college on some grant money
or gotta go ask mommy if its ok,


nobody celebrates no people getting blew up with no beer and gun shooting in the air, thats racist shit agianst southerners but i guess since you dont say nigger and spik and camel jockey its cool
well its not ,your the fucking reason this nation can be so bad people like you who expect others to die for your rights to be a big mouth

yehaaw suck a turd ya punk
ya pissing me the fuck off
sissy ass wouldnt fight for anything
you would let ya grany get raped and say oh,,,,,its ok granny he didnt mean it he just sick and well we gotta except it

grow a set of balls when you ever get a soul



you pompus ass ,your so much better than me and anyone here
used to think you was just dum ass kid
now i can see your a racist towards all americans especially non city dwellers

fuk it tellin ya this is a wiaste

[Torog]

Need I remind you of what started this thread? You guys attacked Torog because he thinks different then you do. Nice try at turning it around, but I ain't buying it.

Toker

Howdy and Good mornin,LT,

Yeah..it's the same old ,same old..I'm a traditional values feller,in a sea full of amoral relativists...lol. In the brave new world of liberalism-there ain't no room for dinosuars like me,I should just git with the 'program'-and stop making waves...NOT !!

I believe that Delta9 said that if one is lying bloody and dying in the street-that a muslim would not sop to help-that's actually true..one of the our rules was-when I was in Saudi,was that even if we saw a traffic accident happen in front of us,and folks were injured-that we must not help them-because in Islam,the plight of the victims-is to be left up to Allah's Will..if we interferred with Allah's Will-then we could be thrown into jail.

Christians ain't strapping on bomb belts and blowing up school buses full of children..nor are we cutting people's heads off-either..yet these fellers claim with a straight face-that Christianity is no more or less-violent than Islam--HOGWASH !! The facts speak for themselves..in the Sudan and elsewhere-Christians are buying folks out of slavery-Islam is taking Christian slaves..the fact is-is that Islam is responsible for almost evry conflict taking place in the world at this time.

Well..I think it's time to wake and bake-I'll probably go into chat for a bit..Have a good one...Torog

[Herbaholic00]

Yeah..it's the same old ,same old..

If your not republican your liberal.............bullshit, they are like coke and pepsi. Skull and bones...............does that mean anything to anyone?

Some people just wanna see thru the bullshit, juggalo said that he's read both the bible and koran...........



Peace

[pisshead]

Howdy and Good mornin,LT,

Yeah..it's the same old ,same old..I'm a traditional values feller,in a sea full of amoral relativists...lol. In the brave new world of liberalism-there ain't no room for dinosuars like me,I should just git with the 'program'-and stop making waves...NOT !!

I believe that Delta9 said that if one is lying bloody and dying in the street-that a muslim would not sop to help-that's actually true..one of the our rules was-when I was in Saudi,was that even if we saw a traffic accident happen in front of us,and folks were injured-that we must not help them-because in Islam,the plight of the victims-is to be left up to Allah's Will..if we interferred with Allah's Will-then we could be thrown into jail.

Christians ain't strapping on bomb belts and blowing up school buses full of children..nor are we cutting people's heads off-either..yet these fellers claim with a straight face-that Christianity is no more or less-violent than Islam--HOGWASH !! The facts speak for themselves..in the Sudan and elsewhere-Christians are buying folks out of slavery-Islam is taking Christian slaves..the fact is-is that Islam is responsible for almost evry conflict taking place in the world at this time.

Well..I think it's time to wake and bake-I'll probably go into chat for a bit..Have a good one...Torog

brave new world...funny you mention that. kind of like bush's forced psychological testing of everything that already passed your congress? that's a hallmark of a dictatorship...did you hear about the new freedom initiative on fox news torog? does it even exist? yes, it does, but i'm willing to bet you have no clue what it is. ignorance is strength.

and you rely on this let/right paradigm, why don't you check voting records torog? it's democrats that are voting for all o bush's big tyrannical government policies, and most of those who vote against bush in our congress, are republicans...

it's not a left/right issue. why do you deny the destruction of the bill of rights and constitution? we're turning into iraq.

[F L E S H]

brave new world...funny you mention that. kind of like bush's forced psychological testing of everything that already passed your congress? that's a hallmark of a dictatorship...did you hear about the new freedom initiative on fox news torog? does it even exist? yes, it does, but i'm willing to bet you have no clue what it is. ignorance is strength.

and you rely on this let/right paradigm, why don't you check voting records torog? it's democrats that are voting for all o bush's big tyrannical government policies, and most of those who vote against bush in our congress, are republicans...

it's not a left/right issue. why do you deny the destruction of the bill of rights and constitution? we're turning into iraq.

Thank god there's other people who make sense in here....

Just a warning Pisshead, don't argue with LT, you can't win

I also heard about the forced psychological testing. That is one of the scariest things I have ever heard. Believe me, they will prescribe drugs to anyone who's not how the government would like them to be. The US will become a nation of brainwashed government puppets, much like Torog, LT and NowhereMan...

So much for your freedom, soon, you won't even have the freedom to think on your own, without your head being filled with chemicals. Congratulations, 4 more years.

[pisshead]

Thank god there's other people who make sense in here....

Just a warning Pisshead, don't argue with LT, you can't win

I also heard about the forced psychological testing. That is one of the scariest things I have ever heard. Believe me, they will prescribe drugs to anyone who's not how the government would like them to be. The US will become a nation of brainwashed government puppets, much like Torog, LT and NowhereMan...

So much for your freedom, soon, you won't even have the freedom to think on your own, without your head being filled with chemicals. Congratulations, 4 more years.

many a time we've 'argued' on the other politics board here. it mainly consists of him saying no one can know anything for sure, i'm wrong, everything i say is bullshit, blah blah blah...history doesn't even matter, even when it's repeating to a T, yadda yadda yadda...no facts or information. he has no discernment and doesn't know how to "read" news, even mainstream, which doesn't lie all the time, they spin.

they'll call torture 'abuse' and say it's not that bad, even while describing the horrible acts of 'abuse'. well i'm here to say torture is bad.

history is full of political conspiracies. it's full of people wanting more and more and more power and control, nothing is ever enough. but it can't be happening today. let's just let the giant electronic control and tracking and taxing grid be placed all around us, because we can trust the loving government. this world empire will be a lot different from those in the past, it'll be even more difficult for it to fall if we allow it them to further wall themselves off from the public and horde the suppressed technology.

it's also important to note that this would be going on regardless of which puppet is in office. kerry voted for the war and the patriot act and the police state and clinton started a lot of the programs that bush is continuing. there has been bascially one plan in this country for a long time, for a one world government. 20 years ago you were nuts to even insinuate that idea, now it's all over the news, but i'm still weird for talking about it...