"We Muslims Living in America are getting sick of this crap

[GHoSToKeR]

LT, Islam is no more violent that Christianity. Just as you get Christiam extremists, you get Islamic extremists. People use this to get people to do horrible things sometimes, but its not always the fault of the religion. Surely you agree with that?

[Libertarian Toker]

I'm talking about violence. Islam gives the extremist the motivation to kill in the name of their god. Islam creates violence. Whether it be a few, or a great many makes no difference to me, it still creates violence. In the name of allah no doubt.

Toker

[GHoSToKeR]

So does Christianity, soccer, and alcohol. Whats your point?

[F L E S H]

"That is my argument. I still don't know what yours is, besides "I say so"

That's it? That is all your argument has? No wonder you think islam is not violent. You had better find out a little more, you seem to be lacking in the info department when it comes to islam. You have no evidence at all, and it looks as if you to are relying on the "I told you so" tactic your blaiming me for. You have not convinced me that islam is not violent with your arguement.

Toker

What more do you want? That's more than YOU can give me, because you don't know jack. You still haven't supported your view with any evidence. What I wrote before is not everything that helped me make up my mind, it's just a part. I'm a historian, I look to History for explanations, and it usually works.

Fact is, modern civilization as we know it is deeply indebted to the Islamic cultures of the Middle-East because they preserved the knowledge and philosophy of ancient Greeks and Romans, which were destroyed in the West by fanatical Christian movements that wanted to destroy everything deemed 'non-Christian'.

What's happening today is a direct consequence of colonial rule and American imperialism, and NOTHING to do with religion. If you cn't comprehend that, that's your problem. I'm through wasting my time on this topoc.

[Libertarian Toker]

LT, Islam is no more violent that Christianity. Just as you get Christiam extremists, you get Islamic extremists. People use this to get people to do horrible things sometimes, but its not always the fault of the religion. Surely you agree with that?

I'm an athiest. Religion is nothing but mind control to me no matter what the religions name. If the US goes off to war, does it send everyone? What happens when islam goes off to war, does it send everyone? Creating the illusion of wanting peace while stoking violence is not an unheard of tactic. Religion has been corrupted from it's inseption by man. All the more reason to think Islam is violence prone. Even their prophet Mo was violent.

Toker

[Libertarian Toker]

So does Christianity, soccer, and alcohol. Whats your point?

That it is not a peacefull religion as some seem to think it is.

Toker

[Libertarian Toker]

"What more do you want?"

I want to see who gave you your opinion!!!

"You still haven't supported your view with any evidence."

Where is yours?

"I'm a historian, I look to History for explanations, and it usually works."

Another one living in the past. Great!

"What's happening today is a direct consequence of colonial rule and American imperialism, and NOTHING to do with religion."

You could't be more wrong. It has everything to do with religion. Your right, you are wasting your time if you want me to believe islam is totally innocent.

Toker

[F L E S H]

It has NOTHING to do with religion. Just as the Crusades had very little to do with religion (90% politics), just as the Reformation had almost nothing to do with religion (95% politics, Martin Luther didn't want to give money to the pope in Rome, Henry VIII wanted a freaking divorce), just as the Inquisition had nothing to do with religion (again, politics), just as missionaries in the Americas and Africa had nothing to do with religion (politics, they wanted to make the indigenous populations more subservient to European rule)

You know, you can call me whatever you want, but I take offense to you saying that I live in the past because I'm a historian. Again, you miss the deeper significance and only see what lies on the surface. Don't you understand that by finding out what causes the status quo in the world today, we can help solve it? History is extremely relevant to the present, and I would go so far as to say that you haven't studied much history at, if any, written outsidde the sphere of influence of your government.

[braindead]

Islam is not a race, it's a religion, and Torog is not a redneck, he's a long haired country boy. Only two words and you managed to be wrong with both of them.

Toker

Youre a racist too, a fat white racist.

[braindead]

"god save REAL americans when korea comes to kick your ass!"

How are they going to "come" kick our ass? Are they flying, or taking a boat trip. Do you really believe NK would stand any kind of a chance against the US military? If you do, then you might want to re think that for a bit. NK would not last any longer then Iraq did. We would walk over them just as easy as we did Iraq's military. What is it about NK that makes you think they can make the US pay a price? Are their troops and pilots battle hardened? Are they well equiped? Well funded? Do they have the ability to project their power to anywhere in the world? What may be right and wrong for the US is not importent in this claim of NK kicking the USA's ass. What is importent is the falseness of the statement you have made and what it means that you would do that. Deny it all you want, but what that statement by you says is that you don't care for the truth, you just hate the US. The truth is that the US would kick NK's ass rather quickly. Why do you lie to yourself? Does it do something for your ego to bash the US with lie's to yourself?

Toker

The US military is full of the most inbred backwards hillbillies the world has ever known, i cheer every time one goes home in a bag. One less piece of human garbage. In the america vs islam i am cheering for the muslims. And you opinion means nothing fatso, you said the war would be a calkwalk, you think the americans are seen as liberators. Fuck you just wrote here that america won in iraq. Was it because its not on TV anymore, you think its over? The american military are baby killing cowards, NK would whoop your ass, like you lost every other war you tried to go alone, including iraq. You have no heart, thats the problem. Go get that high school diploma.
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