Junkyard said:


The first scripture you quoted shows the separation between the son of man, and the father's Spirit dwelling in the Son of man; Thomas recognized both, Jesus as Lord, (Master) the inner dwelling of God's fullness the other. "My Lord and my God"
No. that's just ludicrous. You're reading things into the interpretation. Do you really think God would let a mere man be called "the savior of the world" and "my LORD and my GOD" or how about "prince of peace" "mighty God" "wonderful councelour" "HOLY ONE" etc. No.

Men bowed down and worshipped Jesus. They didn't worship God merely in Jesus.

Hebrews 1

1. IN MANY and various ways God spoke of old to our fathers by the prophets;
2. but in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world, or [ages]

Here, the author who is 'unknown' speaks about God's son. [Christ] "Through", which is a very curious word implies a primary preposition denoting the channel of an act; through (in very wide applications, local, causal, or occasional):
No, it's not curious at all. When God created the heavens and the earth, he spoke them into existence, through the word. This is Jesus Christ. The word is God. God is eternal. He says he changes not " The same yesterday, and today, and forever".


VERY wide applications, imo. Consider also [world] which means "a Messianic period" or age
No, It can mean an age or perpetuity also, but that dosen't maek sense and doesn't fit the context.

Hebrews 11:3

Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
In any case that's irrelevent to this topic.

Again, this speaks of Christ who is now sitting at the right hand of the Father. If Christ was God, how can he be sitting at the right hand of the father?
How can God be in heaven and his spirit in us on earth at the same time? The answer, all things are possible for God.
Can you separate "Christ" from Jesus; yes!
No!

If he were infact God, our faith is in vain
The Bible is fairly clear about who christ was, and about his relationship with the Father.
Yes that's true, which is why what you're saying is totally outrageous and blasphemous.

God is the source, all things radiate from God. God's spirit is God's essence, and Christ was the manifestation of God's essence. All of which share a common bond . . .
Where does it ever talk in the bible about Jesus having God's "essence". This is an idea you made up. It's not from scripture

"...CHRIST JESUS...being in the FORM OF GOD, thought it not robbery to be EQUAL WITH GOD: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."

--Philippians 2:5-8

It says Jesus is equal with God. Noone is equal with God but God. He will not givehis glory to another, as my previous quotations pointed out.

Isaiah 9:6

6For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
He's directly calling the son, clear and plain - GOD. It doesn't say God in the son.


Here Jesus Christ says that in the spirit he will come to comfort his disciples (that is, he is one with God, meaning he is God .)

16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

John 14:16-19

16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

18I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
I don't want to argue about this anymore. If the Father clearly calling his son GOD doesn't convince you then there's not much more I can do.
natureisawesome Reviewed by natureisawesome on . In the beginning was the Word . . . John 1:1-14 Your "personal" take? Christ himself? The Bible? Spirit? There are differing schools of thought concerning this "Word". What's yours? Just curious . . . Junk :hippy: Rating: 5