Quote Originally Posted by JunkYard
I know Christ quite well, brother. You and many others however, have adopted a view that is not biblical. He was crucified because the religious leaders of the day viewed him as a threat to their way of life. They did not understand what Christ was saying, and sure, more than likely thought he was claiming to be God himself.

Read in context those I Am statements, the I and the father one statement, and the "if you have seen me, you have seen the father" statement. His speach was was at times, difficult to say the least.

I'll not insist that you see things the way I see them, but if you cannot explain your view to me, and "back it up" with scripture, then you are ducking the issue, which leads me to beleive that you are one who blindly follows "Church" doctrine as oppossed to what Christ himself taught.

As for me nailing Christ to the cross; didn't we all, PTS? That was his charge, for all humanity. None are innocent of His death; not even you.


Junk
first off this meaning the church did use"They said, that Jesus as a man, claimed to be God and they did not believe him. So they killed him for blasphemy"this was there excuse so they could have him killed. but if u look the Pharisee/church was all about power and jesus was a big threat to that. and if u read the bible u can clearly see that jesus was not for the Pharisee/church as it clearly shows many times where jesus denounced them.

and went to there meeting telling/showing them there faults.also remember where jesus went to the church and tore the place up and called it a den of thiefs.so i have to agree with junkyard on this as he seem to have a better understanding.and if u really want to trace jesus back as to why he had to come to earth for all our sins read about saul and then david.if u open ur mind u can understand alot more don't just listen to sum preacher trying to make money. as most churches are all about the money it's big business now.i will say this and hope im clear as to how i write it out.

u know preachers/churches try to tell u that the bible is a book made to show u how to live ur life better and for the lord and can show u how to make money if u give to the church and all that. but the truth is, all god really wants is for u to see him as king of kings. and his own people"the jews" but they always turned there backs on him and only called on him in need.so read about saul thats where alot of stuff started as the jews wanted a king as the other tribes that was not even for god but sum man made god, and he told them but im ur god/king and that was not good enough for them. they wanted a ruler they could see.and all god wanted is the complete love and faith of his people and they would never be faithful to him.

thats why when i see everyone coming down hard on the jews and blame everything on them, and yes it might be true but it says in the bible eventhough thats the case u do nothin to them as god will judge them in his own time. as to this day they still don't believe he's been here.and the book of rev is mostly about judging the churches for being so corrupt, so if the jews would have had the faith and love for god that they should have had this would have never happened. and by the way even saul the first king of israel he did'nt even mind god so thats where david came in and i might add that david was one of the closest to god.and he could'nt even get the jews to be good.i could go on but it would be to long.