In the beginning was the Word . . .

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Not exactly. I don't mind if people don't agree. But he's the one who started by correcting me but hasn't backed up his point with scripture yet. If you're gonna come against me, you should be ready to back up your point. We haven't even got to the point where either one of us is interpreting because he hasn't even provided scripture to back up his original point. It seems that he only wants to carry a conversation with unbelievers.

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."

Why is it not proper to call Jesus God the Father? Cause you don't believe that he is? If you can call him The mighy God, so can I call him The everlasting Father. I know that there is only ONE everlasting Father. Jesus is LORD!

[tabuwn]

Mighty God = Mighty Strength (Check out the Hebrew Lexicon)

Everlasting Father = Eternal Ruler/Cheif (See above)

As you see, your oneness doctrine differs from my own, and both views come from the very same scripture.

Who's right?
Who's wrong?
Does it really matter?

Nope!

:hippy:

[Pass That Shit]

Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs. I'm not responsible for anyones' beliefs except my own. It's not about who's right, it's about finding agreement!

Do you believe that Jesus is the Son of God?

It's very clear in scripture that the Son of God has no father! It's recorded in both the old and new testaments. I can provide the scripture if you like. And like I said, the only reason I got into it with him is because he was trying to correct me on my personal beliefs. If you don't agree, give your testimony. He pointed out that what I was preaching was improper, but he never backed it up with scripture. As much as people try to make God "three seperate persons", it's clear througout the bible that God is ONE.

Jesus is the image of the invisible God. Period. If you deny that Jesus is God the Father, you're denying the truth.

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What shall we agree upon? What is 'truth' to you? If Christ is that truth, what exactly do you know of Him, other than what the oneness doctrine has lead you to believe?

[Pass That Shit]

There's alot to know about him, are you asking something in particular?

"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."

[tabuwn]

Have you experienced Him in your life? If so, how? What does it mean to know Christ?

[natureisawesome]

Pass that stuff:

It's very clear in scripture that the Son of God has no father!

I don't need to refute this. Even a pagan with minimal study knows that scripture clearly declares that the son of God has a Father. Here is just one:

Psalm 2

11Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

12Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

You're reasoning is abolutey rediculous! Who's son is he then, if he has no Father??

It's very clear in scripture that the Son of God has no father!

You're contradicted by your own logic!

I already answered you with scripture several times, including # 53, which you have not addressed. Either you must be totally blind or just plain ignorant.

No, the Truth is you are the heretic. You are the one who does not keep God's righteousness and commandments and therefore you are the one who does not abide in Christ.

John 15

4Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

5I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

6If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

7If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. ...

..9As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.

10If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

You are already cast forth, you are ready to be thrown into the fire. You have cast off the Fathers instruction, and you are a bastard (being without discipline) according to the faith.

Hebrews 12
8But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

I guess he comforts himself by telling himself that getting high is of faith. But I'm well aware that whatever is not of faith is sin. Sorry to break it to you, but smoking weed is not of faith. But on the other hand, I also know that God does not judge me for it.

If what you say here is true, you willingly and knowingly sin, and once saved after such an act there is no more hope of repentance for you.

Hebrews 10

18Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. ..

26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

30For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Prepare then to meet God's wrath. If what you say is true, you are accursed, with no hope of repentance. You have done despite the Spirit of Grace, by which you claim to be sanctified.

You have walked astray to the heresy spoken of in the bible, eternal security:

2 John 1

9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

10If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

11For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

2 Peter 2

1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

3And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

4For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

5And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

6And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

7And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:

8(For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds)

9The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

10But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

11Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.

12But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

13And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;

14Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

15Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;

16But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.

17These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.

18For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.

19While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

20For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

21For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

22But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Jude 1

4For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

5I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

6And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

7Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

8Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

9Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

10But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

11Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

12These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

13Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

Woe unto you!! I fear to imagine the wrath that God has stored for you. I fear for myself, to imagine the terror that's befalls such as those that attempt turn the grace of God into a liscense to sin such as you, and I pray the God of heaven and earth will humble me and put great fear into me, knowing that I am a mere man.

[Pass That Shit]

It's very clear in scripture that the Son of God has no father!

I don't need to refute this. Even a pagan with minimal study knows that scripture clearly declares that the son of God has a Father.


Oh really? Let's see you come up with ONE that says the Son of God has a father? Where you go wrong is adding something that's not given. You saying that the Son of God has a father is a private interpretation of scripture on your part cause that is NOT given anywhere.

I know that Jesus is the son of man so there's no need to point that out, but where does it say that the Son of God has a father?
Like I said, you don't know the difference between son of man and Son of God! You keep denying that Jesus is the Son of God!

"For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually."

"Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God."

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That's why I said that you were agreeing with JunkYard without knowing it. You were telling him that Jesus is God and he was denying that. If Jesus is God as you say, I ask you the same question? Does God have a father? NO! Therefore Jesus, the Son of God has no father or mother. Jesus is LORD!