In the beginning was the Word . . .

[JunkYard]

Junkyard said:




No. that's just ludicrous. You're reading things into the interpretation. Do you really think God would let a mere man be called "the savior of the world" and "my LORD and my GOD" or how about "prince of peace" "mighty God" "wonderful councelour" "HOLY ONE" etc. No.

Jesus was not a mere man, and I have attempted to make that clear. He possessed both the fullness of God [within Him bodily], and the fullness of our own nature, knowing the human struggle just as we know it. Jeses the "anointed one" was Holy, a wonderful councelour, the prince of peace and mighty God as it is written in context. The term for God here is 'el pronounced (ale) which means: strength; as adjective, mighty; especially the Almighty (but used also of any deity)

Christ was deity "lower case", meaning: (god), X goodly, X great, idol, might(-y one), power, strong.

Isiah also states that he was the "everlasting father". The term here is 'agan pronounced aw-gan, which is in context a primitive root; to debar, i.e. from marriage

Men bowed down and worshipped Jesus. They didn't worship God merely in Jesus.

They bowed down to their Lord (master) and through Him worshiped the Father.


No, it's not curious at all. When God created the heavens and the earth, he spoke them into existence, through the word. This is Jesus Christ. The word is God. God is eternal. He says he changes not " The same yesterday, and today, and forever".

The word is the Spirit of God, nia not Jesus the son of man. Jesus , the son of man died, was also transfigured, but the Spirit that dwelt within Him bodily never changes.


No, It can mean an age or perpetuity also, but that dosen't maek sense and doesn't fit the context.

Look it up, nia the messianic period was the age spoke of in this passage, not nescessarily the creation of the world. Although, the Word as Spirit was in the beginning, established before the beginning of creation. (Proverbs 8:23) The connection is there.



How can God be in heaven and his spirit in us on earth at the same time? The answer, all things are possible for God.

Because His Spirit is essence, and is omnipresent.


Yes that's true, which is why what you're saying is totally outrageous and blasphemous.

Only blasphemous because 'you' view Him as God.



Where does it ever talk in the bible about Jesus having God's "essence". This is an idea you made up. It's not from scripture.

es·sence [éss'nss]
(plural es·sences)
n
1. identifying nature: the quality or nature of something that identifies it or makes it what it is

2. most important feature: the most important element or feature of something

3. perfect form: the perfect or idealized form of something, especially when embodied in a person

All things have an "essence"


It says Jesus is equal with God. Noone is equal with God but God. He will not givehis glory to another, as my previous quotations pointed out.

The term here for "equal" is isos pronounced ee'-sos which simply means (through the idea of seeming); similar (in amount and kind

He's directly calling the son, clear and plain - GOD. It doesn't say God in the son.

I've already explained the terminology and meaning previously in this post.


Here Jesus Christ says that in the spirit he will come to comfort his disciples (that is, he is one with God, meaning he is God .)

16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Indeed, He does come, the Spirit, the comforter, the very essence of Christ. HE comes to abide in us forever. The Word, which is God's spirit and essence.


I don't want to argue about this anymore. If the Father clearly calling his son GOD doesn't convince you then there's not much more I can do.

Again, take in context and the conclusion doesn't lean towards your view. Christ possessed the fullness of God bodily, but this does not suggest that he was God himself.

As for arguing, I see no argument, only a disagreement of terms, bro. Beleive what you will, but Christ was not God; He was God's only 'begotten' son. Just like the bible states

Junk

[JunkYard]

yo junkyard what up man, are friend natureisawesome has put together a very good
argument to prove that Jesus is God and that he claimed to be God, I dont know how much
simpler it can be drawn out, it is taught through out the whole bible that He is God..

one more time" IN THE BEGINING WAS THE WORD, AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD,
AND THE WORD WAS GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! peace as always.

What up, jd? It was a good post, but to get to the meat, you have to dig in.


Much Love

[jdmarcus59]

What up, jd? It was a good post, but to get to the meat, you have to dig in.


Much Love

yea I know I have to dig in and go through everbody post.
Ive just been to lazy today lol. I was just trying to get away with
stating the obvious.:thumbsup:

[Pass That Shit]

I would ask a moderator to change it for you. I'm sure they could. Even if not, I still think it's a good idea to change it. The way the word is being used like that is derogatory, and you claiming yourself to be Christian should know how powerful words can be. No, it's not cursing , as in the kind of curse you would curse someone but it's just not languange that should be coming from anyone striving for godliness. Jesus wouldn't use that language and you know it.

I don't want to argue about it a lot , but I thought it was worth saying something.

Yes, I use cannabis and it's not unlawful as my signature points out.




If Jesus had no distinction from the Father then there would be no Jesus Christ. I am far from agreeing with Junkyard as he doesn't believe that Jesus Christ is God at all and I do. It's not proper terminology to call Jesus the father, but on the other hand he is in the sense that he is one with the father and God is one. Jesus, the Father and the Holy Spirit are all one = God.

I'm done with this thread. I think I've said all I need to say.

â??For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.â?�

â??But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.â?�

Don't you believe that Jesus is LORD?

â??Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:â?�

"When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus."

How do you pray to God if you don't know his name?

"And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me."

Jesus is cleary saying that he is the Father.

And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Did we recieve the Spirit of Jesus or the Holy Spirit of our Father?

"There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."

It's clear from your testimony that you deny Jesus being the Son of God!

[natureisawesome]

pass that stuff:

It's clear from your testimony that you deny Jesus being the Son of God!

You've lost it. How many times do I have to say it? I believe that Jesus Christ is the Living Word of God, that he is Spirit and he is Life. I believe he is one with the Father and the Holy Spirit. I believe that Jesus is the Son of God. I believe Jesus is God.

You heard me say it's not proper terminology, but then you seem to ignore the fact that he is the Father in the sense that he's one with the Father and the Holy Spirit. You just need to keep in mind that Jesus has his own mind and his own feelings, which are in subjection to the Father. There is a distinction between the son and the father, or else there wouldn't be those two differnet names!

I hope that clears things up.

[Pass That Shit]

You don't need to justify yourself to me, but it's clear that you only believe that Jesus is the son of man, not the Son of God.

What happened to "it's not proper terminology to call Jesus the Father"? Do you not belive the scriptures?

Here is SOUND DOCTRINE:

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

Are there 2 everlasting Fathers? I think NOT!
What's not proper about it? Jesus is LORD. LORD is God. God is Father.

[Pass That Shit]

natureisawesome wrote:
I don't want to argue about this anymore. If the Father clearly calling his son GOD doesn't convince you then there's not much more I can do.

JunkYard wrote:
Again, take in context and the conclusion doesn't lean towards your view. Christ possessed the fullness of God bodily, but this does not suggest that he was God himself.

As for arguing, I see no argument, only a disagreement of terms, bro. Beleive what you will, but Christ was not God; He was God's only 'begotten' son. Just like the bible states

I write to Junkyard,
Isn't it ironic how he's telling you that the Father is calling the son God but yet he doesn't believe that Jesus is the Father? I still say that you two are in agreement. You don't believe that Jesus is God and he doesn't believe that Jesus is the Father.
Am I missing something here?

[jdmarcus59]

btw= by the way

Junk, the reason I didn't give you scripture last night was because there was plenty on the table for you from natureisawesome, that you obviously didn't believe. He shared some good scripture with you that clearly showed that Jesus is God. I know that beating it into you won't work. I'm not looking to convince anyone, I just give my testimony. I take it to another level, Jesus is not only God, but he is the Father. As far as me preaching what the "church" preaches, you are far from being accurate on this one, cause I don't know of any religion that teaches that Jesus is God the Father. Do you?

I'm gonna go out for a boat ride cause we are having a beautiful day today. I'll be back later and share scripture. I can back up EVERYTHING I said with SOUND DOCTRINE. You added so many things that are not given in the bible. This is called private interpretation which we are NOT to do. The truth is told with scripture, not with our opinions.

btw.......thank you

[Pass That Shit]

:thumbsup:

[hazetwostep]

Pass that s**t,

You are right that God is one and that Jesus is God.

But I just want to mention that I feel your user name is very crude, and I don't feel good about not saying aything. I feel It's not something Christ like and If God is in you I think it isn't a very good way to let Christ shine through you to the rest of the world. Not trying to attack you or anything, but just saying I can't possibly consider Christ saying " pass that s**t.

you can't see jesus saying shit... but can you see him participating in a blatently illegal action like smoking a controlled substance??? just curious