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DANGER Will Robinson....
I understand. I didn't mean for it to get like this. There's so many side questions and differnet objections. It's a deep post though, so it's not suprising. It's easier if you just stick to the posts relevant to the original thread, but I think a lot of stuff besides has gotten some good coverage.

Could you perhaps condense this thread into a scientific text and next time I'm in Waterstones I'll pick up a copy and then I can read in on the train on the way to work?
Just stick to the posts between me and you and you'll be fine. Remember there are several other people who have been posting in this thread.

You seem keen to dismiss Prigonine's theories very quickly, I find that surprising since you seem to know a thing or two about a thing or two. I feel out of my depth. I am somewhat sceptical about your bible babble though. I hope I can get round to replying to your comments. Order and disorder are confusing and somewhat subjective concepts when it comes to thermodynamics and statistical mechanics. It's perhaps better to think of it in terms of equilibrium, non-equilibrium and quasi-equilibrium.

It's easy to discredit. Especially when Prigonine himself addmited it was not an obstacle to the second law. There is order, and then there is complexity. Randomness, order, and compexity are three seperate things. Life has order and specific complexity. But there is also "order" (really patterns) which arise from natural physical processes inherent to the nature of the molecules and natural laws themselves. But this is still the wrong direction from going to life. I hope you get around to replying to my comments too. I would like to actually confront the original post more than what has been done.

Hope to hear from you soon.