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09-01-2007, 03:20 AM #11
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A path to faith with science
It's interesting how you kept on denying over and over and now all the sudden your objection has changed.Quote:
Originally Posted by natureisawesome
You can't say or assert God is a possibilty without proof. And you say there is no proof for GOD. You can't say God is a possibility without evidence to back it up. But then you may find yourself helping me .But that's not a bad thing.Imitator:
Im saying you havent shown me any proof of God.
Once again, Im not picking sides on this. I am asking questions, and pointing out things that dont seem to correspond with the logical arguement you are laying out.
I am saying, that if God does exist, IF, then anything would have to be possible. And I am saying that if you state that "anything is possible" is incorrect, then logically God could not exist.
If we can assert that God exists (or may exist), then ultimately It must have been revealed to us by the understanding he has given us in our hearts and in our minds, and by this proof : that If God is all knowing and all powerful, then he cannot have any imperfection in him. And hatred and evil go against the way of perfection. And all of his creation show his eternal nature. If we knew God exists, then it would be by his Spirit, because you can only percieve Spirtiual with Spiritual. It is with an understanding deeper than any understanding, we recognise his eternal nature, and it encompasses all. Love is perfect. And if we know that Love is perfect, then God must be perfect, because God in his omnipotence and ominscience must surely be perfect. He would indeed be the standard for all righteousness. And since God would sustain the universe, and be the source of all things, then He himself must be love.
4Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not (M)arrogant,
5does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered,
6does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but )rejoices with the truth;
7bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8Love never fails;
If God were evil, we still exist. And we know that this universe exists also by the same consciousness and mind (it doesn't matter how, nevertheless we are here, whereever here is) , and that it cannot sustain itself according the the laws of this universe. Once we follow this logical path as I laid down in my original post, then we come to go beyond merely the knoledge of God's existence but
go on to determining if there is evidence for us to find out who God is. So there is both scientific and Spiritual evidence.
If God were a liar, or deceitful, or psychotic we're still here, even if here is part of a trick that is meant to give us a misunderstanding of his nature. We know we exist somehow, whether in a dream, or a delusion, we exist and the universe exists whether in a dream or what and so do the laws in it exist. And the laws in effect point to a creator. Once we go further along we can learn more about God's nature. But do not forget there is also Spiritual evidence. I know I explained this twice but it's really important.
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