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08-31-2007, 07:45 PM #11
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A path to faith with science
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Because I don't need to know about every other so called God to know the True God. Like I said, it's not about finding the best God it's about finding the right God. Listen I don't just have some whimsical faith like believing in the toothfairy. There's evidence for God all around us. I believe and I know for sure in my heart that God exists. I have to believe because I can't see God with my eyes. But I can see him in my heart. And you can too.How can you dismiss Gods you havent even heard of or know of yet?
Show me an example in this thread where I dismissed something without properly understanding it.See, that is the problem with this entire thing for me. You dismiss things without even properly understanding them, as is apparent by your complete lack of understanding of what Buddhism teaches and is about... and yet claim that you know the truth because you found this God.
I go with the evidence. You do not. You dream up possibilities with no evidence, and disregard the evidence that does exist.And then you try to take the path of science to prove you are right, when you dont even know half of the other variables that could exist. Perhaps your God is one of many, and a lesser God at that. Hence his worry of people worshiping gods other then him, as is in the scriptures. And perhaps, since the entire concept of God(s) are hypothetical at best in terms of proving existance or non-existance, if you had taken the time to not be so instantly infatuated with the first neato thing you came upon, you would have found some of the Greater gods, ones that were greater, more benevelant, and more everything, then your God.
And I don't mean to be rude, but you are being hypocritical. You contend that I have taken hold of a God when I don't know what else might be out there, but what about your belief? Buddha taught that all things are impermanent, constantly arising, becoming, changing and fading. He didn't observe these things by empirical science. He "envisioned" them. These claims have never been validated in any way whatsoever. You believe that
buddha's teachings are valid, and you don't know what else might be out there either. Buddism teaches there is no God. Buddism has it's own set of "noble truths". What do you have to support these claims? Nothing. what evidence do I have to support my God? Everything.
No there can't be other Gods. That's one of the points covered in my original post. If you study the bible, you'll realize that he does call them false Gods numerous times. Here is one example:The lovely thing about that entire little hypothetical is, you cant prove it isnt possible. By the same reasons that your God can exist, so can other gods, and you cant disprove their existance. God himself made it a crime against him to worship any other gods. Thats a pretty interesting thing to think about... why not say false gods? Why not say psuedo gods, or anything else to make it so he was saying that he didnt want people putting fake gods before him... instead of other gods.
Isaiah 44
9They that make a graven image are all of them vanity; and their delectable things shall not profit; and they are their own witnesses; they see not, nor know; that they may be ashamed.
10Who hath formed a god, or molten a graven image that is profitable for nothing?
11Behold, all his fellows shall be ashamed: and the workmen, they are of men: let them all be gathered together, let them stand up; yet they shall fear, and they shall be ashamed together.
12The smith with the tongs both worketh in the coals, and fashioneth it with hammers, and worketh it with the strength of his arms: yea, he is hungry, and his strength faileth: he drinketh no water, and is faint.
13The carpenter stretcheth out his rule; he marketh it out with a line; he fitteth it with planes, and he marketh it out with the compass, and maketh it after the figure of a man, according to the beauty of a man; that it may remain in the house.
14He heweth him down cedars, and taketh the cypress and the oak, which he strengtheneth for himself among the trees of the forest: he planteth an ash, and the rain doth nourish it.
15Then shall it be for a man to burn: for he will take thereof, and warm himself; yea, he kindleth it, and baketh bread; yea, he maketh a god, and worshippeth it; he maketh it a graven image, and falleth down thereto.
16He burneth part thereof in the fire; with part thereof he eateth flesh; he roasteth roast, and is satisfied: yea, he warmeth himself, and saith, Aha, I am warm, I have seen the fire:
17And the residue thereof he maketh a god, even his graven image: he falleth down unto it, and worshippeth it, and prayeth unto it, and saith, Deliver me; for thou art my god.
18They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand.
19And none considereth in his heart, neither is there knowledge nor understanding to say, I have burned part of it in the fire; yea, also I have baked bread upon the coals thereof; I have roasted flesh, and eaten it: and shall I make the residue thereof an abomination? shall I fall down to the stock of a tree?
20He feedeth on ashes: a deceived heart hath turned him aside, that he cannot deliver his soul, nor say, Is there not a lie in my right hand?
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