This is from a post a way back I overlooked.

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Originally Posted by natureisawesome
You don't need to see a miracle to recognize God's existence. You don't have to see a miracle to recognize God's nature. If you did, then god definitely would show you a miracle. Since you don't need to be shown a miracle, and it's required that man shall live by faith then you're excuseless and you're only testing God. The evidence to recognize God isn't something real hard to grasp. It's everywhere and so plain and obvious that it's insulting to ask to see a miracle. People tell themselves they can't see it and they don't. They choose to have no faith.

Harcore Newbie:

What's so insulting about wanting to see a miracle? I can say the exact opposite that you just said, and I'd be just as right. You're stating opinions. Besides, you say god is all powerful, so it literally takes *nothing* for him to show me. I've already an open invitation to any God, god, deity or anything of the like to have a conversation with me. No takers so far (besides Flying Spaghetti Monster, of course).
I just told you what's so insulting about It. You don't need it and you're testing God. No that's not an opinion that's what God's word says.

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With the information there is to know about God, it's enough to have faith. You don't need the bible to know there's the all loving God in the bible. And why aren't you as suspicious about all history? Do you know there wasn't a talking donkey? I know I can't prove something i can't show you, but at the same time you have no way of knowing and the possibility still lies open there could be one in the past. So take care to recognize your bias.

Harcore newbie:

Do I know there wasn't a talking donkey? No, of course not, it's impossible to prove that something DIDN'T HAPPEN. I realize that nearly anything is possible (which I state clearly and often). if I'm biased for living in reality and realize the possibility of a talking donkey is highly unlikely, then call me bias.
Well yes I am going by God's word and record. And that is proven True. I don't believe anything is possible. I go with the evidence. It's not highly unlikely. And how can you judge what is more likely or not, if anything is possible??


h.n.:

I'll ask you a few questions about a talking donkey. Do you believe that a donkey has ever spoken? And if so, why aren't you be suspicious? If you're not suspicious, would you believe me if I told you that my dog told me that god doesn't exist?
Yes i believe that a talking donkey spake. I'd have to check out and compare that to what we know about the universe and everything we know and see if it can be verified.


I'm not suspicious of most history because unlike a talking donkey, it's.... what's the word.... believable. The only other books I've read with talking animals were called fairy tales.
I think universe and nature and all creation being as amazing as it is is many many times more miraculous and amazing than a talking donkey.


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Not just values and beliefs. Ultimate values. Spiritual Truth. I don't believe that our feelings are in our brains of course. I think there's a good deal to show this is true. Also, something I've noticed. Have you ever noticed that whenever you feel real deeply about somethings, like if you feel very strongly towards a girl of if you're in emotional pain it hurts right in your heart, I mean your physical heart.

Nope. I get mine in the gut. More assumptions.
That may be so, but that doesn't invalidate what I said. I know some people get it in the gut and in both sides of the chest but generally it's around that area. I think actually the heart thing I mentioned happens to everyone but may not remember. Different parts of our bodies feel differently under different emotions.

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I find that interesting and I'm not saying the physical heart can feel, but I've thought about it and if there's a designer I think that would be the perfect place to make that connection you know? from the spiritual heart to the beating heart? we we think of the beating of the physical heart, it's very representative of what we recognize as our heart, our center of feeling and of sentient perception.

All subjective. I'd say the perfect places for love would be in the genitals or the fingers. It's just my view of the world.
You can't be serious. I'd like to hear this one, perhaps. As long as it's not dirty.

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According to the Humanist Manifestos I & II: Humanism is a philosophical, religious, and moral point of view. The Humanist Manifestos declare:

I don't care what the definition of humanism is. You stated that atheists subscribe to humanism. A very blanket statement used so that you can further your points.
Humanism or atheism the point I made applies to both of them. But humanism is an organized religion. And don't say they're not, because they admit it themselves


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Logically, atheists have to provide a moral code from outside of their belief system which which can't provide any. Richard Dawkins even claimed that he was a passionate Darwinist as to how we got here, but a passionate anti-Darwinist when it came to morality.

Logically, atheists (or anybody, really) don't *have* to do anything. Each person is an individual. What does richard dawkins have to do with anyone else as a person? he's a famous atheist? Big deal, he doesn't speak for every atheist on the planet.

If people don't have to do anything then why do we feel it neccesary to have a government to keep things in order? And why in a democracy do they feel the need to have control over others to establish why they think is right? Obviously they are using they're pushing thier moral choice on others as Truth we're all accountable to , but when confronted then it's everybody's own choice and we all have different personal standards. Like I said, lots of people define love differently, but everyone (just about) believes in Love. Can anyone say they hate love??

Also, some people may be immoral by my standard, but not by their own. So *logically*, nobody on the face of the earth is required to provide their moral code.
So then it's not wrong for them if they rob and murder you if they feel "justified"?

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Here's what can happen when angry and hurt people believe there is no standard of morality, that they can make their own rules:

Hardcore newbie:

I could throw up a link to the spanish inquisition and use that of my basis to describe anyone who is religious anyone believes in a higher power, and what they do when they think their morality is being guided by a higher power. it serves no purpose.
Wrong. Because the point is that the ideology they learned from the world taught them that that was ok . Christian doctrine doesn't teach people to do things like the spanish inquisition. Trust me, I hate the roman catholic church more than you do .