My point remains in tact. You don't need the christian God of the bible to acheive any of those things. You argue that people do good things wihtout god in their lives, and that those good things are then meaningless? Surely the same spiritual conviction will belongto hundreds of beliefs all over the world.

I didnt' say that helping people proved there was no God, I said it didn't prove there was one.


It's difficult to reply to such al arge post on a forum really. If you'd like to email me and arrange a time where we couuld come online and have a chat I'd be happy to do so.

[email protected] is my addy, so go nuts.