Quote Originally Posted by Iambreathingin
I don't need a book to tell me how to decrease suffering. I don't need written rules to illustrate the differnce pain and joy.

Humans who have had little or no contact with the bible are perfectly capable of making morally just decsions and being aware of them. Even a certain type on monkey (Apologies I forget the name) Has shown that they can regonise others pain and respond by comforting them.

So no, I don't agree that without God there is no moralitly. All we need to do is recognise suffering, and the ability to do so is built into us geneticly.

I find it abit ignorant to say that good will doesn't exist outside of christian society.
When you talk about what is right or wrong, there has to be a standard . Good and evil are recognised as something that all people are accountable to recognise as a spiritual truth, but without God saying anything is right or wrong morality is meaningless, and any personal conviction to help someone suffering for example without a standard of morality is meaningless. You feeling like helping someone because they're down trodden doesn't prove it's right if there is no God, even if a whole planet full of people feels the same way, it still is only feelings.

Our deep recognition of love as a higher standard contrastingly is recognition of God's spiritual nature, which we cannot see. We don't see any proof that being kind is right in the natural universe. It's bound up within our hearts, and we receive it despite it's being absent in the physical world, being it's beyong this world.