I find that the idea of the bible saying that everyone is born sinful and selfish is just one of the many many reasons I am not a christian. Science does not deny the bible, but those with religious stature fear science as a means of gaining information they cannot control. Spirituality is a wonderful thing, as religion can also be, but it is the organsied nature of it that's the downfall.

I liked alot of the post until you told me that you were trying to convert me. By all means share your belif, but don't try to change mine. Accept that earth IS diversity, and that without that diversity we lose balance.

I'd like to add that quotes from the bible are not evidence. Every sunday when I am woken up by religious people, they answer my questions with bible quotes, and nothing more. They don't encourge freedom of thought and expression, or the importance to find yourself during your short life, but instead seek to teach you the way to read a book. A book written by MEN, telling other MEN how to make the world a good place.

You don't need promise of immortality to make you want to be a "good" person, do you?