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3. All events require that something caused them.
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What caused the creation of God? If all events require that something caused them, then what caused the initial existance and creation of God?


If God can "just exist" and "just is", then doesnt that explicitly discredit that third rule? The key word for making it so its a problem, is of course "all", which implies everything, no exceptions.
That's in this universe. The second law holds true in this universe, because the natural law is in this universe. Outside of this universe things would be different. You know I already addressed this a long time ago!

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Some things we don't know. Perhaps we never will. But this doesn't mean answers don't exist, or are fundamentally ambiguous.A fact is a fact whether anyone recognizes it or not.
So wait, you state right here with this statement that some things we dont know, but that it doesnt mean that the answers dont exist, or that what we dont know doesnt exist? Isnt that what I was saying in regards to the Dreamer theory? That we dont know, but that doesnt mean its not true? And what did you say to argue against that? Odd...
I never contradicted myself at all. You were arguing for a possibility as a fact when you had no evidence. It's not that possiblities don't exist, the evidence we have clearly supports that, it's that some things arn't possible, and possibilities aren't given, so you must go with the evidence always in determining your assumptions.

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Could life be a self created hallucination? No, not really. To imagine that would be very.... unrealistic. It's an assumption, but while it may be hard to prove it's impossible to disprove.
Exactly. Thats the beauty of it, in so many ways.
Hard to prove but not impossible.

And throughout the time you mention the option of this, you seem to immediately discredit it just from a dislike of your own. You claim its unrealistic, but in that case, what is realistic? Do you have definitive proof of what is realistic? Or just an assumption that you choose to believe in because its easier then the alternatives?
Remember I told you that it all depends upon human logic and reasoning. It's all we have. Once you establish anything , for instance your mind, then you can logically follow that the same mind you use as valid in one instance, can be applied for another similar purpose recognising the existance of the outside world as valid also.

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1. the universe exists.
2. Events occur within the universe.
3. All events require that something caused them.

Therefore something started all motion in the first place. If anything has motion, an original mover must have existed.

Imagine you were riding your bike somewhere and there was a great big freight train blocking the road as far as you can see, all the way to the left, and all the way to the right. The train seems endless. But you would rightly assume that the train is not infinitely long, and at some point has an end. The 2nd law prohibits perpetual motion machines so the train cannot go on moving forever either.

Also, each car is being pulled by the one in front of it. No car moves unless it was pulled. You would rightly assume further that there is an engine car which is different from the other cars, the original mover. You determine that it pulled the first car which pulled the second etc.

The universe is very much like a machine that is in motion. It's laws of operation tell us that it's in motion. It cannot be perpetual, therefore it hasn't been around forever and someday will stop. Every atom of our universe is rubbing and pulling and bumping against each other. And since nothing moves until a force is placed on it, the original force must have begun the cascade of movement that we see today.
Jumping back again to this, and I apologize for the jumping.

If God exists while being exempt from the third rule, then we can assume that the third rule doesnt apply to everything, which means in essence it could apply to nothing. Not that it is applying to nothing, but that its possible if it doesnt apply to everything, that it could apply to nothing.
Not applying to anything a biiiig step from not applying to everything. Besides, like I said, you can't lump God in with this because he's outside of the universe.