Staurm said:

It was you who said the second law causes things to become more complex, you are confusing order with disorder, perhaps unintentionally. Either way what you said about entropy and life was fundamentally incorrect.
where did I ever say that?? The logic in the original post goes the exact opposite, and I suggest you reread it.

Actually it seems you said in your post before exactly what you're charging me with right now:

"Entropy is a measure of the flow of a system from disorder to order, "
was that a typo?

It's also important to make a distinction between randomness, complexity and order as I've already mentioned earlier in this thread. The argument goes like this (there a lot more to it of course)

The natural universe is running down, and the fact it's losing complexity tell us it must have started with a higher degree of complexity to begin with. Since the natural universe is not able to decrese entropy on it's own, something outside of the natural universe must have done this, something with intelligence and the ability to direct force.


When you say dissapative structures do you mean things like ice? I've alreadly touched on that before in this thread too if that's what you mean. (#35)