I don't need a book to tell me how to decrease suffering. I don't need written rules to illustrate the differnce pain and joy.

Humans who have had little or no contact with the bible are perfectly capable of making morally just decsions and being aware of them. Even a certain type on monkey (Apologies I forget the name) Has shown that they can regonise others pain and respond by comforting them.

So no, I don't agree that without God there is no moralitly. All we need to do is recognise suffering, and the ability to do so is built into us geneticly.

I find it abit ignorant to say that good will doesn't exist outside of christian society.