snowblind:

nature is awesome. i have read many of your posts and threads. engaged in debate with you myself and watch every other people do it themselves. but it ultimately boils down to one thing with you and that is. the internal feeling of good.
That's not true at all. That's just one side of the evidence. You completely ignore that fact that the intitial reason I even created this thread was to show that a clear and sure path to a logical and reasonable faith can be built upon solid proof and evidence we know about ourselfs and our universe.

I have heard little at all about that, and have heard lots of other stray arguements. But basically the 2nd law was an objection, and then I dealed with that.

So before you go telling me it's just my feelings, why don't you review my original post and come and tell me why it is or isn't flawed because that's what this is all about.

ok now you feel him, thats fine. that is your proof. all your evidence points you to this conclusion in that it is subjective and blinkered. a lot of your proof isn't proof, it isnt evidence and it isn't fact.
Oh you mean like the Fact that you are thinking? Or the Fact that you exist?

its rehtoric, spin and assumptions. but too you it is the truth. the trouble is we live in what im am sure will be called the information age. people filter thousands of bytes of data a minuate an hour and our brains are adept at functioning out the stuff that is not relevant to ourselves.
rhetoric, spin and assumptions. I clearly don't see what you're talking about, if you'd like to give me an example I'll be sure to get back to you.

what you fail to see is that most people don't believe, they don't have faith. they have prooved to themselves that god doesn't exist. you will never ever ever convince anyone that god exists, if they don't think he does.
I can reason with people, and show them the evidence. But if they refuse not to see it and not accept it, then there's nothing I can do. In the end, they have to prove it to themselves. When people don't they turn it back on me and say it doesn't exist and I have no proof.

your inital lengthy post. makes numerous assumptions and percieves certain data as being evidence. when really the only real, tangible, 100 % concrete evidence that you have and i hate to break it to you, is that you FEEL god.
That's not true.

now that is good for you man. i like listening to your debate and i really wanna know where dinosaurs fit into gods plan being that man just wasn't arround during any stage of their exisitance, discounting birds, reptiles sharks and nessie.
I assure you that lock ness will not be part of my response on dinosoars.

i guess beliving in god, heaven and hot angels is a nice way to live. that there will be something after. but i would hate to put faith in that and live half a life and it to not happen. rather than be a good person, live and see what happens.
You know you're not good. None of us are good. I don't believe in blind faith either man, I'm trying to show that to you.

your reasoning and logic is aggressive, flawed, untactful and well laughable at times.
Aggresive? Untactful? If you can show me how, then I'll be sure to make a change in my behaviour. That certainly would be counterproductive. But as for flawed, I've yet to see you prove that.

snowblind.
i wish you luck man
I don't believe in luck. I believe in perserverance and Love.