A path to faith with science

[natureisawesome]

Imitator:

Report me then. At this point, with your insulting tone, and your insulting of anyone elses viewpoint, I think you wouldnt like the results on your end either. The ONLY reason I havent reported you myself is because you were continuing the conversation, which interested me.

That's rediculous. This is my thread. Even if it wasn't I have obeyed all of the rules of the forum. You on the otherhand, have sworn, (and refused to stop swering) you have repeatedly posted over and over andover with spam like posts and off topic arguements and objections, and would not stop when I asked. You have also posted off topic once again.

It is against God's laws to worship any idol, even if it is of himself. Yet in almost every church you go to, you will find Christ upon the cross in the center of the church. Every person who goes there and worships is worshiping a false idol, and that much is comfirmed by the Church, since it was not allowed for a long time by one of the Popes, for that exact reason.

So do you, natureisawesome, have a crucifix anywhere? Do you wear a crucifix? What do you think of those who blatantly and willing defy one of God's laws by owning one of these idols, or going to a church which proudly displays one?

No I don't actually. It's wrong to make assumptions like that. I have no denomination. I have no church I agree with. The cross is ultimately derived from what's called a solar halo which was ultimately derived from the Babylonian mystery religion. It has no relation to true Christianity.

He has displayed a fundamental lack of understanding of basic philosophy and Buddhism, and general logic in quite a few cases. The fact that he states that his perceptions have to be correct is probably the most hilarious statement I have ever heard, considering human perception is probably THE most flawed way to try to find facts, as we can be fooled in so many ways. Optical illusions anyone?

And it's interesting how you continue to use your invalid mind to try to come up with valid arguements against me. Pointing out optical allusions does not help your case at all because for us to recognise optical allusions we have to use our eyes in the first place.

He attacked the Four Noble Truths, without obviously having ever read them, because what he stated was completely incorrect if you take even a short period of time to read them and the scripture they come from.

How do you know I've never read them or read about them? Quite an assumption.

He claims that science is wrong on any aspect that might disprove or cause him a problem in regards to his subject, but then uses science to try to prove what he is talking about. His science is always right, our science is always wrong.

Science is a tool. It can be used in a good way, or it can be turned in the wrong direction, all depending on the person that uses it.

But I am done with this thread. Congratulations nature, you ran out someone who was probably one of the more enthusiastic of this thread, and one who never once ridiculed your beliefs and really only said anything negative of you once you started doing the same to me. You turned a conversation into a *** contest, you turned a conversation into a means for you to insult everyone who didnt agree with your viewpoint, and you turned a conversation into nothing more then another typical thread by ignorant small minded religious people. Also, please note, I am not saying all religious people are ignorant or small minded, just some.

How ironic. I think if anyone has turned this into a pissing match it's you. You're not enthusiastic about the Truth. I don't believe you came in here with the right attitude.

The fact that you wouldnt even begin to entertain any other possibilities, while the entire time chiding us for not entertaining your possibility, is hilarious, and hypocritical at best.

That's not true at all. I get the feeling you derive this strange sick pleasure from turning christians away from their faith.

Also, you still have never disproven the Dreamer theory, therefore, its still a possibility. And Id recommend really learning what a fact, theory, possibility, and how to identify a statement of any of those apart from the other. You seem to be lacking that right now, and I think it will help you convey your point a bit better next time.

I did answer the dreamer theory. And you answered "NO". You wouldn't accept it. Like I said, ultimately everyone has to prove it to themself. You chose not to. I'm quite capable, much more than you in knowledge of those things, and the fact that you denied you were stating a possibility as a fact multiple times, and then finally changed your objection dramatically (and in effect recognizing your previous error without addmiting it) show that your are the one in need of lessons in reason and logic.

Have fun with the rest of your thread, I am unsubscribing to it. Report me if you wish.

I will report you, and as a final note I recognise and hope it's obvious to others that you are unreasonable and argumentative, and in my honest opinion in a state of mental anguish. I hope the best for you. Please don't come back.

[natureisawesome]

fbr:

Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks NatureisAwesome. If there is one person who is abusing this thread the most it seems to me to be you yet you are calling out others on your own thread. Since your posts are soooooooooo long it is hard to read this whole thread without getting a headache. It seems that you are more upset with people not agreeing with you and you are looking for reasons to get people in trouble based on that or you are baiting them into breaking the rules. We have a word for that and it is trolling. This is not the only thread you have done this is so if anyone is pressing the rules to the edge of the limits it is NatureIsAwesome. I'm not saying everyone else is innocent but you make it hard with your baiting and your extremely long posts to see past your own role in this but from what I see the responders have been quite respectful for the most part. I'm not going to close a thread just because people don't agree with NatureIsAwesome because no one is breaking the rules and that would be extreme censorship.

If people want to carry on with this thread then carry on but this thread may have steered a little off the original topic but not by much. Try to return it to center and keep it respectful!

I'm not sure how I am baiting other people into breaking the rules. I'm not sure at all how I'm calling out others. I'm also really not sure how I've been trolling on other threads. I thought cussing, posting off topic, and spam like posts were against the rules, but if you don't agree I suppose that's your choice. Honestly I don't want this thread to go on anymore.

[Pass That Shit]

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A REQUEST TO ANY MODERATOR THAT WOULD LISTEN!

Due to his CONSTANT attacks of other peoples faith, I REQUEST THAT THIS THREAD BE CLOSED!

Now that imitator opted out of it, I doubt anyone will continue to debate him anyway. If I understood correctly in another thread, Hardcore Newbie also implied that he was gonna start ignoring natureisawesome, (i could be wrong on this).

I NEVER personally attacked him, but he never wanted to address his accusations of me. Alot of posts and threads have been deleted for lesser reasons. I felt from the start that if natureisawesome complained to the mods, and the mods read the thread through, it would work AGAINST him.

If the mods choose not to honor my request, it will say alot about this site and I will have to reconsider staying a member on here!

He ONCE AGAIN brought me into a conversation that I had nothing to do with. See the post above addressed at imitator.

I also am a man of faith, but being faithful and attacking others is COMPLELETLY DIFFERENT!

Since he has agreed to not wanting this thread to go on, it's only fair to all members that this thread get locked. I think it will be the RIGHT thing to do, and maybe it will raise his awareness for future threads. As you can see, right now, he still thinks of himself a saint and all others are devils. He states that he has not responded out of anger, but in my eyes, he has been doing this from the start. Thanks for listening to my rant.

[Pass That Shit]

"I'm done talking about that Imitator. If you want to strive with the potsherds you can go find pass that --- ."

potsherd = "a broken piece of a brittle artifact"

What did I have to do with this conversation natureisawesome? NOTHING! You blasting me is only looking for trouble.

You couldn't be more wrong on your accusation though. I have faith that the God of the whole Earth is a righteous judge, UNLIKE YOU!

[FakeBoobsRule]

Now that imitator opted out of it, I doubt anyone will continue to debate him anyway.

Are you saying people will no longer continue to debate Imitator or NatureIsAwesome?

I felt from the start that if natureisawesome complained to the mods, and the mods read the thread through, it would work AGAINST him.

If the mods choose not to honor my request, it will say alot about this site and I will have to reconsider staying a member on here!

Hello, did you not read my response a few hours ago? Did I not make it clear who I thought was the number one offender? To me, to let someone push the limits of the rules and then complain about everyone else and ask for the thread to be closed so no one else could respond seemed like total crap, which is what I think was going on.

Since he has agreed to not wanting this thread to go on, it's only fair to all members that this thread get locked. I think it will be the RIGHT thing to do

You can't please everyone all the time. NatureIsAwesome seemed to want this thread closed because people disagreed with him and to me that is not a legitimate reason to close a thread. That's like running to mommy and daddy when things get heated up. Also, the religious and political forums have a slightly different standard applied to them (read stickys by Psycho4Bud on this matter if you were not aware). Hopefully people knew that because common sense dictates that these are two areas in any conversation that can get heated because people feel passionately about them and if you want to get involved, you better have thick skin. If I closed the thread people would have complained, if I left it open people would have complained. I wrote a note and I have been paying attention to this headache of a thread. I don't need 3 posts to tell me it is a problem especially after writing a note. For the most part we don't just go closing and deleting threads because people want to. Notice the edit time on posts is only 10 minutes, that's because you better realize what you write is going to stay forever if it follows the rules. Have you ever seen someone ask to get their account and posts deleted, what is the answer, NO. I'm sure if people pointed out specific post numbers to us, it would make it easier to clean up posts or make a decision to close or delete the thread easier because NIA is writing an essay with each post and there are almost 400 posts.

Like I said, if I closed it people would be upset, if I left it open, people would be upset. Either:

1) Don't respond and the thread will die
2) Everyone involved in this thread say their peace/last words and the thread will be closed
3) Point out posts by numbers that you feel might violate the rules and show us possible rule violations. I'm sorry but I just don't have the patience right now to read all 367 posts.


Truly this thread is a moderating headache but I would rather put in a little extra effort and get it right than to say screw it and close it.

Excuse me, I keep say Religious forum when it is the Spirituality Forum.

[natureisawesome]

I think people should be able to close their own threads, regardless of the reason. Sorry it's a moderating headache. Not my intention. I hope I don't get a bad rep for it.

I disagree with just about everyone however, and that's my right to opinion.

I've already tried to defend my actions to no avail, and every time I post there's 4 or 5 to come and attack me. This thread is taking too much of my time and I could could care less what people say anymore. I hereby abandon this thread.

[snowblind]

natureisawesome why dont you pray for the thread to be closed ?

and if a mod does close it please state you are otherwise we will never here the end of it.

i think natureisawesome set out with this thread to convince everyone in god and to belive in a higher power, because in his mind this is all logical. however to most people it isnt. it really is weak to get it closed down as you are the main prog in this and shoot people down. you backed yourself into the corner with this one. it pisses me off cus i like debating this stuff, just with less narrow minded people. natureisawesome, no one has actually attacked you from the start, the attacks are based on the tone and aggression of your replies. this has been mentioned numerous times but you seem unable to step away from yourself and understand how your posts make people feel.

at the end of the day the evidence for either side is based upon the convition of the people on either side. faith vs science. there is no answer.

i think this thread is dead.

R.I.P

[chisme]

maaaaan i must be stupid i can hardly understamnd any of the phyco-babble goin on here...i mean like you guys put everything into mindless rants about nothing defined.....or maybee im just dumb....probably that then

[Pass That Shit]

Since natureisawesome has stated that he will abandon this thread, I have no problem it staying open. I made the request cause I was tired of hearing him blast everyone who didn't agree with him, and I felt he shouldn't have that right, since others don't have the right on other threads. To me personally, it wasn't about disagreement, it was that every time he disagreed, he began name calling like a child. And after the name calling, he would threaten that he would report us. I guess I was starting to scoop to his level by asking for the thread to be closed. As far as thick skin, I would be all for "free speech" and "everything posted, stays posted". I have read many of threads, in which I wanted to comment, but they got closed by a mod. And I didn't see anything worthy of closing those threads. I guess I feel that threads have been closed for lesser offence than this one. Keep in mind that almost all the people who have been part of this debate, have pointed out that they have been offended by this character. I don't have the desire to go pulling all the offensive comments. I don't have the desire to be a mod. Like I said, I'm all for "free speech". If someone is offended, they have the option to stay away. I made the request not because I couldn't handle his childish name calling, cause they are just words, and I could easily avoid them, but rather cause of the inconsistency of the moderators. I guess the mods don't have a specific pattern to follow, cause I see they close threads when they feel like it. I don't think the thread starter should be able to close his own thread either. Peace!!!

[FakeBoobsRule]

I made the request not because I couldn't handle his childish name calling, cause they are just words, and I could easily avoid them, but rather cause of the inconsistency of the moderators. I guess the mods don't have a specific pattern to follow, cause I see they close threads when they feel like it. I don't think the thread starter should be able to close his own thread either. Peace!!!

Wow, Pass That, you completely missed the boat on that one. We don't close threads when "we feel like it." We close threads when there are violations. We do follow patterns and trends. We don't have dartboards in our homes that we throw at and depending on where the dart lands, then that's what we do. If we went around closing threads, deleting posts, handing out infractions at will then that would be chaos and anarchy. We follow our own guidelines and don't just go around waiving the ban stick for the hell of it.

Like you said earlier in your post you don't want to be a mod. Remember we are unpaid volunteers who do it because we like it. We have a life and commitments beyond this board. It is a holiday weekend. I was the first one to tackle this and there was so much information posted from NatureIsAwesome I had to get help from the others. We discussed what was going own. We researched it, we went through posts, we discussed it some more. Notice who was complaining about everyone else and how everything was handled? I think the outcome has been quite a fair and just one. If we just did things based on if we feel like it or not, we wouldn't have spent hours trying to come up with a fair and just outcome instead of a kneejerk reaction.

So in summary there is the report feature on every post, I suggest people use it in the future to help us. This is a community and we sometimes rely on members to help us. In the political and spirituality forums, there is a slightly different standard. It doesn't mean the rules are different just the threshold at which something is considered an attack on another poster is different. Consider it like the speeed limit in the city and the speed limit on the interstate. The mods sometimes discuss problems and work together before coming to a kneejerk reaction. Be patient. Stop complaining about everything too. Nothings perfect in this world but we try our best.

Now if you don't mind Pass that, I have a date with a hot tall blonde with fake boobs and I have spent enough time on this thread. I'm going to leave this open for a little while longer in case Hardcore or Imitator or others wish to post since the attacks have been dealt with but I hope when I return later tonight I find anymore complaining from you.