A path to faith with science

[Hardcore Newbie]

Yes.

Religion is a scourge. It's probably the best scam in the history of the world. People believe so much in it that it is pretty much cult-like. Religion fucks everything up... and I'm sick of it. I really wish someone would go and blow up all the big churches. Maybe that will be Al-Qaeda's next move: blowing up all the big churches in the US! I'd like that.

The end doesn't justify the means. Destroying people's property is wrong.

[mfqr]

The end doesn't justify the means. Destroying people's property is wrong.

Maybe to you destroying people's property is wrong. But to me, religion is wrong. The Christians crusaded and killed and destroyed to convert people to Christianity. But now is the time to crusade and destroy to snap people out of the hypnosis that they have put you under to believe in such hogwash.

[imitator]

Yes.

Religion is a scourge. It's probably the best scam in the history of the world. People believe so much in it that it is pretty much cult-like. Religion fucks everything up... and I'm sick of it. I really wish someone would go and blow up all the big churches. Maybe that will be Al-Qaeda's next move: blowing up all the big churches in the US! I'd like that.

Religion itself may be a horribly misdirected good intention. That I would be willing to entertain. But I cant say its entirely a scourge. It is seperate from faith and spirituality, as it is a physical manifestation of such, imo.

I dont want anyone to be hurt, and I dont neccessarily believe that God(s) do or do not exist. I think that if someones faith brings them joy and enhances their life, and that they are not harming others to acheive this, that that is a wonderful thing worth noting.

[mfqr]

Religion itself may be a horribly misdirected good intention. That I would be willing to entertain. But I cant say its entirely a scourge. It is seperate from faith and spirituality, as it is a physical manifestation of such, imo.

I dont want anyone to be hurt, and I dont neccessarily believe that God(s) do or do not exist. I think that if someones faith brings them joy and enhances their life, and that they are not harming others to acheive this, that that is a wonderful thing worth noting.

And then they will corrupt their children, and their children will corrupt their children, and so on, until the spell is broken.

[imitator]

And then they will corrupt their children, and their children will corrupt their children, and so on, until the spell is broken.

Can you truely blame the religion and faith for it if its the fault of evil men? Evil men are evil men no matter what they believe in. There are evil atheists, just as there are evil religious people.

Its usually the acts of evil men that cause corruption, and I cant blame religion for the creation of evil men.

There are plenty of people who are religious and follow a specific religion who are not corrupt, not evil, and are good people.

[natureisawesome]

Imitator:

natureisawesome:
I go with the evidence. You do not. You dream up possibilities with no evidence, and disregard the evidence that does exist.

And I don't mean to be rude, but you are being hypocritical. You contend that I have taken hold of a God when I don't know what else might be out there, but what about your belief? Buddha taught that all things are impermanent, constantly arising, becoming, changing and fading. He didn't observe these things by empirical science. He "envisioned" them. These claims have never been validated in any way whatsoever. You believe that
buddha's teachings are valid, and you don't know what else might be out there either. Buddism teaches there is no God. Buddism has it's own set of "noble truths". What do you have to support these claims? Nothing. what evidence do I have to support my God? Everything.

Seriously. Im getting aggitated at this now. Do you lalala read at all? Ever? Or do you just look for slight bits to base your quotes off of before spouting the same stuff you said before and were corrected on at least 4 times now?

You havn't corrected me at all, except this once because you appeared to be defending buddhism . And don't cuss in my thread please.

I DID NOT, nor have I EVER, stated something was a fact.

Yes you have.

I dont follow Buddhism, I dont agree with a portion of what they believe, but I find it interesting. I dont neccessarily hold true the theory of never ending, never beginning, but at least I understand it fully, and can see the points for and against it. You on the other hand have displayed a complete lack of understanding of the points of Buddhism on at least two occasions in this thread, and then dismissed it as a false religion. There is your example of dismissing something you dont understand.

I havn't displayed any misunderstanding about Buddhism. You certainly were working to defend Buddhism.

And you have no PROOF of God's existance, because if you did, there would be no way for anyone to ever argue or bring up any counter point to your display. This entire thread is because you dont have proof, and you feel the need to make people share the same beliefs as you, so to validate your beliefs more. If you had taken any classes in sociology or psycology, it would be painfully obvious. Its a textbook case, one of the first things studied when you are looking into an ethics surrounding, because with ethics, innevitably comes the people stating that ethics are because of God.

I do have proof of God's existence. That's what this whole thread is about. It's not my fault people choose ignorance and fail to recognise the evidence.

You disregarded Carbon Dating awhile back, but iirc, what is the main way that creationists use to try to show that the Great Flood happened? Yeah...

Creation scientists do not depend solely on carbon dating. 6,000 years is certainly a lot shorter, and can be possibly used with the right adjustments (if they were known, but this would still be based upon asumptions), but they recognise their bias and the limits of science, wheras evolutionists have not. creationists do not rely on dating methods the way evolutionists do.

So, for the FIFTH time now, if I hold any beliefs, you have no clue about them, because I have not posted once about my personal beliefs in this thread. Not once. I have NOT stated anything as fact, I have NOT stated any personal beliefs, I have NOT claimed that any one thing was right and another was wrong. The ONLY person doing this is yourself, quit projecting yourself upon me.

I understand now that you are not a Buddhist. You were defending buddhism. If someone came in another thread about buddism ,and argued that Christianity made more sense, people would rightly assume he is a Christian. You have stated things as facts numerous times, and I will not back down.

If you cant stop with the slander and lying, then I have nothing more to say to you. This is getting old, and enough is enough. You can say what you will about me raising hypotheticals and trying to get you to flesh out things you have said in light of other possible evidence, but do not attribute anything I say as a belief or fact stated by me, unless I specifically state it as such. And trust me, just for you, I will make it blatantly clear when I do so.

You cannot make an assertion without evidence. You have made many assertions in this thread. You cannot debate ANYTHING without evidence to back your assertions. Whenever you state a possibility, you assert that as a fact. Otherwise, you cannot state whether is may be possible or not, and you have no way to make any assertion. I base my assertions upon evidence, the evidence I wish you would look to, for if you did it would show evidence of God. Your assertions are groundless.

If you don't like talking to me, or if you don't like what I'm saying, leave. Honestly, I'm tired of bickering with you. I'm tired of side objections being brought up that arn't neccesary for the purpose of this thread. I'm tired of arguing over the same thing also.

Let the potsherds strive with the potsherds.

And finally.

Your very own holy laws, The Ten Commandments, does not state false gods. It states:

That's so rediculous that doesn't even deserve a response.

[mfqr]

Can you truely blame the religion and faith for it if its the fault of evil men? Evil men are evil men no matter what they believe in. There are evil atheists, just as there are evil religious people.

Its usually the acts of evil men that cause corruption, and I cant blame religion for the creation of evil men.

There are plenty of people who are religious and follow a specific religion who are not corrupt, not evil, and are good people.

They're good people, but they are gullible people who are delusional. I think Christians should be admitted to the nut house.

[Hardcore Newbie]

Maybe to you destroying people's property is wrong. But to me, religion is wrong. The Christians crusaded and killed and destroyed to convert people to Christianity. But now is the time to crusade and destroy to snap people out of the hypnosis that they have put you under to believe in such hogwash.

Um, do we not both agree that forcing your beliefs on others is wrong? You show an example of injustice done by the Christians, yet you think that because you have a good cause that your actions will be just? Isn't this exactly the reason that you don't approve of what happened in the past, because people were too concerned with putting their beliefs in the forefront, no matter what the costs?

"Maybe to you destroying people's lives is wrong. But to me, the occult is wrong. The witches crusaded and killed and destroyed to convert people to the devil. But now is the time to crusade and destroy to snap people out of the hypnosis that they have put you under to believe in such hogwash."

I changed a few of your own words to "justify" the crusades.

[mfqr]

I do have proof of God's existence. That's what this whole thread is about. It's not my fault people choose ignorance and fail to recognise the evidence.

Where's the proof? I have read the entirety of this thread, and I see no proof that your imaginary friend is not imaginary. The concept of God is the same as a little kid having a little imaginary friend.

What do you think proof is, natureisawesome? Is it stating facts such as "you are thinking," "you are thinking because you're alive," "you can sense time," and then switching the subject to how you are alive and thinking because God created you? Can you please tell me how that even closely resembles science? Where are the equations to support what you say is true? Surely there is a mathematical equation which shows that God exists, if you can combine God with science. You don't even have any evidence of God's existence, and nobody else does either. Thus, without even the most simplistic evidence which can be attributed to to God (and nothing else, like evolution), your "proof" doesn't even fit in the realms of pseudo-science, but rather bullshit. I'm sorry, but it is. It would really help the world out if people like you would stop going around trying to convert people to Christianity.

[natureisawesome]

Originally Posted by imitator:
In situations like this, I usually dont even want them to rethink their belief so much as understand where others are coming from, understand that they are not of their faith and choose not to be, and that that choice is ok.

I mean certainly, Id love to be able to "wake up" some people to the rest of the world and all the religions in it, and let them see things from a step back, because its hard to really look at something if you are right up in its midst... But I would be happy if there was more tolerance in the world from said religious people.

The idea that they can say they are tolerant and then in the same breath condemn me to their hell because I dont follow their exact beliefs... Its mind boggling.

Yes.

mfqr:

Religion is a scourge. It's probably the best scam in the history of the world. People believe so much in it that it is pretty much cult-like. Religion fucks everything up... and I'm sick of it. I really wish someone would go and blow up all the big churches. Maybe that will be Al-Qaeda's next move: blowing up all the big churches in the US! I'd like that.

Christians don't codemn people to hell. God is the judge. But both God and Christians actually do the opposite, we try to save people from condemnation.

When Imitator uses the word "understand", it really goes beyond the realm of tolerance, into the realm of sympathy for his choices and beliefs, which I have none nor should I.

People condemn themselves to hell. They choose to do wrong.

And mfqr, this is the second time you've used such hatful language, something I have not done. It may even be a violation of the rules of this forum.