NEW SETUP QUESTIONS

[celtsbos34]

finally i moved into my new house. i got a huge basement and i wanna do this up right. i went to canada got myself like 100 high quality seeds(thanks ontario seed bank) and now its time to set up the room i;m thinkin 6 600w MH during veg and 6 600 HPS during flowring my room is 15ft wide 28ft long and 7.5ft tall... i am gonna throw a 10,000BTU ac down there and i wanna set up some sort of ventilation. let me know any advice or input on the lighting and if u think the room is large enough for this operation.. ANY INPUT WOULD BE AWESOME... THANKS

celtsbos34 Reviewed by celtsbos34 on 08-15-2007. NEW SETUP QUESTIONS finally i moved into my new house. i got a huge basement and i wanna do this up right. i went to canada got myself like 100 high quality seeds(thanks ontario seed bank) and now its time to set up the room i;m thinkin 6 600w MH during veg and 6 600 HPS during flowring my room is 15ft wide 28ft long and 7.5ft tall... i am gonna throw a 10,000BTU ac down there and i wanna set up some sort of ventilation. let me know any advice or input on the lighting and if u think the room is large enough Rating: 5

[SpaceNeedle]

Well, you won't need but maybe 2 600W MH, and you should be able to have the other 10 600W HPS for flowering. When plants are vegging, you won't need as much space. Your veg room should be about 1/4 the size of your flowering room. I would suggest you start off a lot smaller to begin if you've never done this before. 12 600w lights going at the same time will throw off 24,000 BTUs of heat. If you have a 10K BTU a/c, it is gonna be pretty toasty in there on a hot summer day. In other words it will take 24,000 BTU air conditioner to keep the same temperature inside your grow room as it is in the rest of the basement.
I really feel you need to get your feet wet before you get into this. What are you gonna do with 100 seeds? There's no way I would start off with that many! I'd start off with a little light and max 20 seeds, let them grow and find out which ones are male and female. Then cull the males and make clones of the females.
You're going way too fast.

SN

[khronik]

You don't need nearly as much light for vegging as you do for flowering, and you should perhaps look into getting some T5 fluorescent lights, at least for vegging. They're more efficient and better for young plants than MH lights. If you live anywhere near canada, your basement will lose a lot of heat to the ground, pretty much all year, so you're not too bad off as far as temperatures. Plus, in the winter you'll have nice warm floors.

Do you have any natural gas or propane appliances in your basement by any chance? If so, these can help boost your CO2. For instance, you can get a gas hot water heater to vent directly into the basement. A furnace, though, would use way too much oxygen to be able to vent that straight into your basement.

[celtsbos34]

im in the north east so its gonna be good when i get all those lights pumping in in 2 months...Ive done a couple plants before but now i am doing it for business purposes. its time for me to do it right. i wanna get HID so i can use conversion bulbs...im thinkin like 6 lamps with realistically after germination and shit about 6 or 7 groups of 10 so pretty much 600w for 10 plants
i think i have a grasp on this i just hope i'm not going over board

[khronik]

If you set up for a continuous cycle, ie, you have batches of plants in several stages of grow at any given time, you won't need conversion bulbs, since you'll always have the same types of lights going. And really, that's the way most professionals do it. It maximizes your space usage.

If you get digital ballasts, you can use regular MH or HPS bulbs in them, and you won't have to bother with expensive, short-lived conversion bulbs. Plus you'll be more energy efficient and you'll have less noise.

[smokinbuds21]

i also agree khronik trust me take the advice that is alot of light!!!

wait till you get your first light bill maintain a 100 plants i hope you have alot of people me and my friend have a couple plants as his house and we do alot for them little bastards were talkin startin with 7 or 8 and get the most females and do clones trust me you dont want to start with all that light all that money and dont know how many females you have it could turn out really bad start out with a quarter of that light and 30 seeds hope for 15 females maybee more if growing conditions are intact!! just tellin u what i think but what do i know? newby also!

[bongerstonerd00d]

Gezus d00d. Running 12 600 watters at once ? First of all I'd go with 1000 watters. 600 watters are a tad more efficent (lumens/watt), but when it comes to intensity, you cannot beat the 1000 watt lights.

I'd be nervous as a whore in church drawing that amount of juice, but to each their own. I have no idea what you pay per kwh, but it will not be cheap running that many lights.

Deff go with seperate veg/flower rooms. Also have you an area set up with 2-4 C.F.L.'s or a T-5 4 tube 4 footer where you can root clones, get seedlings going, etc.

That way move rooted clones to veg room, start new clones, once vegged to flower, start cycle over. Beautiful setup. Never any down time. Thats exactly how I do it when I am growing.

Will take ya a few grows to get timing down, but then you OWN it. KEEP EXCELLENT DETAILED NOTES!!!!!!!!!!! They are invaluable for the next grow, and next grow, and on and on and on.

Best of luck with your grow,

b0nger

[celtsbos34]

only 6 600w not 12 and i have a 8 month lease so i am doing 1 big project than to the next house...im just wondering is a 600w hid light enough for like 10 plants?

[stinkyattic]

You want 3 rooms ideally:
Veg
Flower
Propagation- you will eventually keep your prop setup in here, either an EZ Cloner (the one the size of a football field) or the simple rapidrooter -n- dome setups.

Actually nevermind, I just noticed that Bonger told you the exact same thing. Listen to the d00d.

Go SOX!

[celtsbos34]

guys what dont u understand i dont wnana do cycles...i wanna do 1 big grow than move outta the house. no 3 rooms no 3 cycles...1 big cycle than i move...i just wanna know how many lights i should buy to mount on the cieling of the basement and what kinda venting and stuff like that. i dont wanna use floro's i'm trying to grow a big yield of killer shit...i want HID's i wanna do this BIG